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Sarcastro
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Ive got a legal question. I apologize for posting this in the Z Visa/Residency Sticky but its a bit of a pressing question.
Ive recently found out that according to the cops who currently hold my passport to update my creds, I am only allowed to teach in the area of my residency.
I was recently let go when I told my boss that I wasnt leaving the city until my passport gets back as thats my lifeline if anything bad happens to me and that I was told it was illegal. When he asked me how I know and told he labeled it as "a threat" and gave me 30 days.
Now talking to some schools in the same city, they say they are going to have me travel to teach. I am wary of being in the same situation. Im not going to do anything that I know for sure is illegal in a country that Im an alien in.
So my question is, when is it legal for me to teach in other areas that are not in my residency and when is it not? Or is it just "illegal" and no one pays attention or prosecutes it? |
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sui jin
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:19 am Post subject: |
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More information is needed here , please.
Why are you updating your credentials? Do you already have a new job, or are still looking?
Do you have a resident's permit sticker in your passport?
If so , this was made by your employer. So even if you move employer in the same city, you may need to change permit - 'May' because the resident's permit sticker does not mention the employer, only that the permit was 'issued at' a certain city , for the purpose of employment. So the authorities could just update their records, and leave the permit to continue (I guess). Maybe that is what the police mean.
So if your new employer is based /registered in the same city, there could be no problem (regardless of where they send you teach). |
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Sarcastro
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Visa expired over a month ago. Boss promised to update but didnt do it until 6 weeks into the contract. Passport is being held for what he said is that purpose.
So as long as the company that is sending me is based in Haining, I can teach anywhere they send me to?
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chinatimes
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Visa expired over a month ago. |
That is not what is important. You get a Z visa outside of China, then you enter. It basically expires and is useless after you apply with the first school. It is like a bus ticket. Give the ticket, they give you a RESIDENCE PERMIT. What does it say on your RESIDENCE PERMIT?
That's your lifeline in China.
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| Boss promiiced to update but didnt do it until 6 weeks into the contract. Passport is being heald for what he said is that purpose. |
Probably getting a new residence permit. Assuming you didn't overstay your residence permit dates, don't worry.
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| So as long as the company that is sending me is based in Haining, I can teach anywhere they send me to? |
If they are simply farming you out to multiple schools (20-30 minutes by taxi) I wouldn't worry about it. Are you saying they have you going to Shanghai, Beijing, and Shenzhen? Those are much longer distances and I am not sure what the PSB would say about it.
It is very common in China to send a worker to a city, they often go in groups, for a 1-3 months and then return to their place of employment.
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Sarcastro
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Cool, Ok then. I have been legal for quite a while. My residency expired 7 days ago which was after we had turned in the paperwork to get the Residency renewed.
The day we turned in my paperwork and passport, my boss sent me out to LingPing and had someone pick me up by bus. I didnt feel great about this and it didnt seem right because I was an hour away from my city without any ID or anything. I called my consulate who directed me to people and about 4 calls later I talked to the officer who was working on my papers. She acted shocked and said emphatically no that I couldn't teach there. I could only teach in Haining because they knew me and had my papers anyway. |
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chinatimes
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| She acted shocked and said emphatically no that I couldn't teach there. I could only teach in Haining because they knew me and had my papers anyway. |
I don't know your area. If you are at the border and simply cross over to another province, then there might be an issue if caught.
Each province makes up their own rules. Also, if you call up the authorities, the obvious safe answer to anything is "No, you can't".
Are you getting paid 100% by the school related to your residence permit? If so, I would leave that between the school and PSB to sort out. You aren't the only one getting grilled when you apply for a foreign expert certificate. The school also has to prove themself as an employer.
If, on the other hand, the second location is paying you it could be looked at as independent work outside of your workplace related to your residence permit. In that case, I would ask to be paid from one source, the school associated with the residence permit. |
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Sarcastro
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: |
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I don't know your area. If you are at the border and simply cross over to another province, then there might be an issue if caught. |
Same province different region. |
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chinatimes
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I don't know your area. If you are at the border and simply cross over to another province, then there might be an issue if caught. |
Same province different region. |
The person probably doesn't understand your situation if you are teaching at a different location through your school as opposed to you independently going and teaching privates. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Cool, Ok then. I have been legal for quite a while. My residency expired 7 days ago which was after we had turned in the paperwork to get the Residency renewed.
The day we turned in my paperwork and passport, my boss sent me out to LingPing and had someone pick me up by bus. I didnt feel great about this and it didnt seem right because I was an hour away from my city without any ID or anything. I called my consulate who directed me to people and about 4 calls later I talked to the officer who was working on my papers. She acted shocked and said emphatically no that I couldn't teach there. I could only teach in Haining because they knew me and had my papers anyway. |
are you sure about all this?
your 'visa' expired a month ago? you got an RP a week before it expired,
and you need a new RP already?
why did you call your consulate? you mean your home country consulate?
do you mean the psb? do you mean a chinese consulate (?) in hong kong?
who did you call? you actually talked to the chinese worker processing
your papers?
you have 30 days to apply for the RP. if the boss didn't start until 6 weeks
into the contract.................?????????? could be your boss is getting you
a fresh tourist or business visa?
and you said your boss let you go. who are you working for now? who is
sponsoring your whatever it is you're getting? |
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Sarcastro
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Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Cool, Ok then. I have been legal for quite a while. My residency expired 7 days ago which was after we had turned in the paperwork to get the Residency renewed.
The day we turned in my paperwork and passport, my boss sent me out to LingPing and had someone pick me up by bus. I didnt feel great about this and it didnt seem right because I was an hour away from my city without any ID or anything. I called my consulate who directed me to people and about 4 calls later I talked to the officer who was working on my papers. She acted shocked and said emphatically no that I couldn't teach there. I could only teach in Haining because they knew me and had my papers anyway. |
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| are you sure about all this? |
As much as I can be but that's why I started this thread in the first place.
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your 'visa' expired a month ago? you got an RP a week before it expired,
and you need a new RP already? |
This isnt my first gig. Started work at this job on July 16. Z visa from last job expired July 13. RP expired at the end of Aug. Paperwork handed in by Aug 30th.
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| why did you call your consulate? you mean your home country consulate? |
Yes, I didnt know who else to call about something that didnt seem legit.
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| do you mean the psb? |
no but eventually one of the 4 people who I talked to was one of the workers.
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| do you mean a chinese consulate (?) in hong kong? |
no
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| you actually talked to the chinese worker processing your papers? |
yes, or at least knew about it happening (there are not many of us FETs here).
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you have 30 days to apply for the RP. if the boss didn't start until 6 weeks
into the contract.................?????????? could be your boss is getting you
a fresh tourist or business visa? |
I walked through the process here before. I know what the different buildings we went to did. However there was one we went to in Jiaxing (regional center) which only took our paperwork. I dont know if it was for a visa or was just an agent assisting my boss.
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| and you said your boss let you go. who are you working for now? who is sponsoring your whatever it is you're getting? |
I am due to be given 30 days, though I have only been told and not recieved anything in writing yet. I just started the job search process again and have a couple leads. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Z visa from last job expired July 13. RP expired at the end of Aug |
That doesn't make sense, OP. The Z visa does not expire, it has an "entry before" date (90 days from date of issue, I believe). That would sorta be an expiration date, but the RP expired a month and a half later? Timeline is out of kilter. |
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choudoufu
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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the z-visa has a validity window, 90 days i think, then it expires.
you use it once to enter, apply for your RP within 30 days. when
the RP is issued, the z-visa gets stamped 'cancelled.' (yes, i know;
somebody in china somewhere got their RP without the z-visa
being cancelled)
question....if the boss is letting you go, views you as a 'threat,' and
has given you 30 days notice orally, why is he letting the psb continue
with processing the new RP? you and the RP will be tied to his school.
when you sign a new contract, won't the new school need to get
you a new RP under their sponsorship? |
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Sarcastro
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Because it's already in process and out of his hands? |
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chinatimes
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Sarcastro wrote: |
The day we gave the PSB the papers he sent me out to LingPing which is almost exactly what I said 7 posts ago.
Am I really that cryptic? |
You can't get worked up over this. Every time I apply in China, something different comes up. If you applied already and they have your passport without them detaining you, then consider this a waiting game to get your passport back.
One teacher at a previous school overstayed his residence permit by just 1 day and had to write a letter explaining the situation. They detained him and a second teacher who went with him until things got sorted. So, I doubt there is a problem or else they would be in contact with you. |
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Sarcastro
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| chinatimes wrote: |
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The day we gave the PSB the papers he sent me out to LingPing which is almost exactly what I said 7 posts ago.
Am I really that cryptic? |
You can't get worked up over this. Every time I apply in China, something different comes up. If you applied already and they have your passport without them detaining you, then consider this a waiting game to get your passport back.
One teacher at a previous school overstayed his residence permit by just 1 day and had to write a letter explaining the situation. They detained him and a second teacher who went with him until things got sorted. So, I doubt there is a problem or else they would be in contact with you. |
That was the whole problem. Current boss didnt want to play the waiting game and wanted me to work at a place at least an hour away from where I live and have my RP.
The original question was when is it reasonable and legal to be sent out to other schools in other cities as others that Ive talked to have said they do the same thing. Is it only because I dont have my passport that I cant teach in other areas or what? Chinatimes has given some info about that which Im thankful.  |
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