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Beyond1984
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 Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:51 pm Post subject: Who needs to know the definition of alveolar non-fricatives? |
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"What is their value?" (the value of tefl certificates)
If a student asks you when to use the present simple tense, and you don't know the answer, getting a tefl certificate could increase your value as a teacher. If you know the answer, and know which verb tense is most commonly used (NOT present simple), maybe you don't need a tefl course. 
"Metalinguistic awareness" is enhanced by a good, graduate-level TESOL course of study. I recommend this one: http://www.lin.ufl.edu/slat.html
SLAT is a fairly new acronym: Second Language Acquisition and Teaching.
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davelister
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| I found my TEFL course very useful; for methodology and practice. It gave me the skills and confidence to, for example, teach classes of beginners, using metalanguage (using taught English to build on). |
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Bolt
Joined: 25 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:42 am Post subject: Re: More unexplained deletions. Hope it is not censorship? |
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| CFTU-Beijing wrote: |
How bizarre - the original OP posted by Burke vanished (DELETED) yet people still are responding to it!
To be very clear to all our teaching colleagues, TEFL certificates are not now, nor ever were required to teach in China. I personally have been teaching in China since 2007 at universities, private schools and in a public high school and have never even been asked if I had one.
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I have never been asked if I have a TEFL certificate and I applied at over 50 schools in China. But I'm sure it can't hurt to have one IF it is a CELTA or TESOL certificate like Mr. Bud said. But I think it is misleading to tell people that they cannot teach in China without a TEFL certificate. |
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vikeologist
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I'm a bit surprised. I thought that some kind of TEFL certificate was needed. (I've been here more than 4 years and am a DOS, so my opinion was based on at least something, but perhaps it's just a thing in my province, or maybe I'm just plain wrong).
What really irritates me here though is that the CFTU seem to think that foreign teachers in this country should be paid the same as in other countries, should get professional respect, minimum salaries and generally be treated like professionals.
But they're keen to publicise their (as I say probably inaccurate) idea that they don't need to be qualified, and this would also mean that they would have no actual evidence of being competent.
But sure, that's the way it is. Most schools in China can't get qualified, competent teachers, and the ones they do get usually have major personality quirks.
But don't then compare TEFL teaching in China with other countries. It's the blind leading the blind. |
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davelister
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| Most schools in China can't get qualified, competent teachers, and the ones they do get usually have major personality quirks. |
China v Quality;
qualified and experienced ESL teachers asked to sing in class
a decent bottle of red wine is preferred diluted with Sprite
What came first, China or the [twitch, woof, grrr] quirk ; ) ?
Quality ESL Teachers are not AT ALL in China for the money (it certainly pays to be elsewhere), but here for the experience (usually a year or two) or have a Chinese partner. |
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Quality ESL Teachers are not AT ALL in China for the money (it certainly pays to be elsewhere), but here for the experience (usually a year or two) or have a Chinese partner. |
Speak for yourself... I make a healthy living here.... |
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braindead
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
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Location: USA
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| Avoid online TEFL courses. They're useless. Sure, it might help you in China. But for other countries, it's best to get what's legitimate. Trinity TESOL and/or Cambridge CELTA is the way to go. |
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NP1970
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
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Location: Beijing/Tianjin
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| Avoid online TEFL courses. They're useless. Sure, it might help you in China. But for other countries, it's best to get what's legitimate. Trinity TESOL and/or Cambridge CELTA is the way to go. |
Why do you think they are helpful in China? I teach in China and nobody ever asks if I have one and they certainly are not required to teach here. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Harbin wrote: |
How about this: the ability to effectively teach English or not?
Like it or not, there are about 3 internationally recognized TEFL certificates and I promise you that people who complete these programs can blow the doors off personality teachers when students give a damned about what they're learning. |
I agree but as a TEFL Cert won't get you more money in China the only multinational comparison that can be made is on the help certs give to enable better teaching.
My cert is pretty basic and combined about equal parts class and online units.
I'm glad I did it as I've something to measure myself with. |
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