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cloud_pleaser
Joined: 29 Aug 2012 Posts: 83
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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:19 am Post subject: Meaningful Error Correction |
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I've always struggled somewhat over how often, and in what capacity I should correct students errors.
As far as I know, CELTA methodology would have me create a controlled practice activity that would present errors to students, and they would be able to locate them and correct them. (To clarify, I don't have a CELTA, but I have read up on the methodology.. CELTA holders should feel free to critique this point). I do this sometimes, but I feel like it can be difficult to design an activity that is meaningful and engaging along these lines.
My overall strategy at this moment is to create a kind of "error diary" (I detailed this briefly in another thread). Basically, I walk around while students are doing activities designed to hit target language and note errors that they make. Then at the end of class I put up a table on the whiteboard with 3 columns: "Incorrect sentence", "correct sentence" and "Reason why it is incorrect". I put 3-5 errors I noted down into the "Incorrect sentence" column and get them to complete the table for homework. At 6 week periods during the semester I check their error diaries to monitor their progress and it forms a percentage of their overall mark.
My rationale is that it encourages independent learning and self-correction, without too much teacher interference. Its also in response to student feedback from last semester (Chinese university students get quite anxious if the teacher doesn't correct them) and also from the dean. I'd like something concrete to remedy this.
I'd really like some seasoned (or fresh) TEFLers to weigh in on what I'm doing. I'd really appreciate any input. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Many ways of correcting errors. What you call Celta methodology, controlled practice, highlighting errors, is certainly one way, but it is but one way among many.
Your own method has some benefits to it, but it raises some concerns too. Linking error production and self-correction to overall marks is probably not the most motivating of strategies. Could be wrong there, but it seems to me that this might inhibit learners from risk-taking.
Might be worthwhile thinking about what types of errors you are picking up on and why, and explaining that to the class. Not usually effective to correct, say prepositions, if the task was about something else entirely. |
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cloud_pleaser
Joined: 29 Aug 2012 Posts: 83
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Cheers for the input Sasha.
Good point about connecting it to marks. It isn't going to be a large chunk of their final mark, and the mark will be more for effort I think.
What approach do you generally use in your classes? |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:23 am Post subject: |
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You're welcome.
I try to vary feedback as much as possible - not only error correction feedback, but also answer-giving to gap-fill exercises etc.
Specifically referring to spoken errors, I sometimes 'hot' correct. I.e. just instantly correct a student who has produced an error. This is frowned on usually, but for individual students it can be fairly useful. Especially when it is the umpteenth time the same error has been made.
Delayed feedback on group speaking activities can be provided by whiteboarding some learner samples and having them figure out if the sample is OK or not, and explain why. Can be beneficial to mix in good utterances with the errors, so as to promote their ability to discriminate, and also to mix in some positive feedback. Less depressing than seeing a litany of everything that they got wrong. A variation on this can be type up their samples, print off a sheet, cut up into strips, and then ask the class to make two piles of sentences. Naturally, this won't happen the same day, so it is important to be clear about what activity the samples came from - the learners may have forgotten doing the task in the first place : )
More on-the-fly error correction, not during a learner speaking task, can be to politely stop the learner, and point out that there has been an error, either by saying so explicitly, or making a facial gesture. If the student cannot correct himself, then involve other learners.
Teacher reformulation can be fairly quick and easy too, so long as the learner knows that their original sentence was wrong. 'Echoing', however, is a confusing situation for the class, and is best avoided.
I try to make it very clear to the learners what type of error has been made too. Saying explicitly something like, "Sorry, 'I am agree' is not correct grammar" is usually more helpful than, "No, that was a mistake". Similarly, "Control an exam? Is 'control' the right word to use here?" Pronunciation, appropriacy etc., can be dealt with the same way.
Covert errors are more fun, for me, though. If a student says "I work in/for a magazine" it is not immediately clear that an error has been made at all, or what it is exactly. Maybe they really do work for a glossy publication. Maybe they really meant they work in a shop. This only becomes clear a little later. "I am an economist" is also wonderfully ambiguous. They might mean bookkeeper or accountant. Or they may really be some sort of government economic adviser : )
Ah, you've got me started now. But if you can get your hands on 'The Practice of ELT' by Jeremy Harmer, or 'Learning Teaching' by Jim Scrivener, you'll find many more ideas about how to handle error correction. |
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teacheratlarge
Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 192 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:14 am Post subject: |
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One of the better replies you've drafted sasha.
I would add that covert areas are a tricky area in that it sometimes takes some digging to find out whether the statement contains an error or not.
I also like to take examples of student errors and highlight them on the board as well as do contrast exercises asking students to pick out the correct examples. |
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wonderingjoesmith
Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Posts: 910 Location: Guangzhou
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Meaningful Error Correction |
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cloud_pleaser wrote: |
As far as I know, CELTA methodology would have me create a controlled practice activity that would present errors to students, and they would be able to locate them and correct them. |
Error correction codes, which I have confused my learners with before, may as well further students' capability to comprehend what's expected of them. Not following the procedures or program standards, from my experience, may sometimes be a better option than stiffing a variety of pupils with examplary practices.
My knowledge also is that trainees of second or third languages have great difficulties to point to mistakes in the langauge studied. That may be because of the lengthy process to acquire such skills. Presenting students' inaccuracies to them, in my humble opinion, ought to be done delicately and with a purpose. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:20 am Post subject: |
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teacheratlarge wrote: |
One of the better replies you've drafted sasha.
I would add that covert areas are a tricky area in that it sometimes takes some digging to find out whether the statement contains an error or not.
I also like to take examples of student errors and highlight them on the board as well as do contrast exercises asking students to pick out the correct examples. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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I tend to correct as soon as the error is made; generally by repeating what was said, using the correct grammar, in the form of a question. My students usually get the hint and correct the error.
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Have to be careful with that approach. The main issue is that the learner may not always realise that he made an error, or that it is being corrected with a reformulation. Not saying that describes anyone here, but it is a pitfall to be avoided, especially by newer teachers. Frequently, the learner may mistakenly assume that the teacher is just confirming the information content, rather than correcting. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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To add to Sasha's useful comment on immediate error correction, the error corrected also needs to be within the students' framework of reference. Correcting, for example, a third-conditional error with a lower-intermediate student might be useful - or not, depending whether the student has any background in the structure (or other linguistic item) involved. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sashadroogie wrote: |
Have to be careful with that approach. The main issue is that the learner may not always realise that he made an error, or that it is being corrected with a reformulation. Not saying that describes anyone here, but it is a pitfall to be avoided, especially by newer teachers. Frequently, the learner may mistakenly assume that the teacher is just confirming the information content, rather than correcting. |
While my students do usually realize they made an error and correct themselves, there are rare occasions where I have to go further to help them see their error (as opposed to telling them they made an error). Sometimes I'll ask them what form of the verb they should use in that sentence or I'll ask them what word they're missing (very often an article or a form of be) or I'll ask the class "What's wrong with that sentence?"
What I want to avoid is directly telling them they made an error; I want them (or their classmates) to discover the error for themselves. Sometimes my other students surprise me by correcting the error without me saying anything.
My approach (which is one of the methods I was taught both in my TESOL course and when I was getting state teacher certification in, among other things, ESL) takes a little extra time, but it helps the student to think things through. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
To add to Sasha's useful comment on immediate error correction, the error corrected also needs to be within the students' framework of reference. Correcting, for example, a third-conditional error with a lower-intermediate student might be useful - or not, depending whether the student has any background in the structure (or other linguistic item) involved. |
While I do teach some pre-intermediate students, I usually teach intermediate or upper intermediate students. I don't correct every error, but I do correct the ones where they should already know the correct form (like when they leave out the be verb - is, are, was, were - or where they're using the infinitive instead of another form like the past simple or verb + ing, or using have instead of has) and, of course, the common error made by almost all of my students, leaving out the article. (Or, in the case of one student this evening, using an article when he shouldn't have - we all, including the student in question, got a bit of a laugh out of that one - and we all got a bit of a laugh when another student kept using "Well" as a filler at the start of his sentences - and he knew he was using it that way and said so; there's not really a lot wrong with that, but it would have been nice if he had changed it up a bit and used different fillers instead of starting every sentence with "Well"; it got to the point where the other students were anticipating his sentences by saying "Well" for him; he's actually one of the better students in that upper intermediate class). |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Chancellor wrote: |
What I want to avoid is directly telling them they made an error; I want them (or their classmates) to discover the error for themselves. Sometimes my other students surprise me by correcting the error without me saying anything.
My approach (which is one of the methods I was taught both in my TESOL course and when I was getting state teacher certification in, among other things, ESL) takes a little extra time, but it helps the student to think things through. |
I'm not entirely sure I've understood this, so apologies in advance if I have missed what you meant. But, not telling the learner that he has not made a mistake does not seem to me, or any methodology I am familiar with, to be meaningful error correction. It doesn't even seem like error correction at all. I'm not sure what value there is in not directly giving feedback where such feedback would be appropriate. Perhaps you can direct me to some literature for further insight into this?
Also, having learners self-correct, or peer-correct is laudable, of course. But this too needs to be happen in an appropriate manner. Not saying this is the case in your groups, but I have observed class members getting quite snippy with each other because of over enthusiastic corrections and/or interruptions from their classmates. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Sashadroogie wrote: |
Chancellor wrote: |
What I want to avoid is directly telling them they made an error; I want them (or their classmates) to discover the error for themselves. Sometimes my other students surprise me by correcting the error without me saying anything.
My approach (which is one of the methods I was taught both in my TESOL course and when I was getting state teacher certification in, among other things, ESL) takes a little extra time, but it helps the student to think things through. |
I'm not entirely sure I've understood this, so apologies in advance if I have missed what you meant. But, not telling the learner that he has not made a mistake does not seem to me, or any methodology I am familiar with, to be meaningful error correction. It doesn't even seem like error correction at all. I'm not sure what value there is in not directly giving feedback where such feedback would be appropriate. Perhaps you can direct me to some literature for further insight into this?
Also, having learners self-correct, or peer-correct is laudable, of course. But this too needs to be happen in an appropriate manner. Not saying this is the case in your groups, but I have observed class members getting quite snippy with each other because of over enthusiastic corrections and/or interruptions from their classmates. |
No, what I said is that I don't want to directly tell the student that he (or she) has made an error (not that he hasn't made an error). I want to correct the error and let the student discover that there was an error. I don't want to say to the student "You made an error" or "You made a mistake." The reason for this is partly not to embarrass the student, but also to help the student realize the error and self-correct. Also, if the error made is in an area that hasn't been taught yet (e.g. third conditional with a pre-intermediate student), then the student really isn't in a position to understand the error (as someone mentioned in an earlier post). Sometimes, if the student doesn't catch on, I'll ask questions like "What's wrong with this sentence?" (and then repeat the sentence) or I'll ask other questions like "Should you use the noun or adjective there?" to help the student further think it through. Sometimes I'll even stop and directly teach that particular grammar. (Though, usually, the student catches the error long before I ever get to that point).
As for other students correcting their classmates, I agree that we have to be careful some students don't become over-zealous in doing it. So, I do pay close attention to how other students correct their classmates. Fortunately, I haven't had a problem (so far) with students becoming "over enthusiastic" with correcting each other - they're usually pretty gentle with each other. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Still not sure I get this. You don't want to directly tell the student they have made an error. You want to correct the error. You want to let the student discover there was an error. It is hard to see how all these things can be achieved at the same time, or even why one would want to in the first place. Not wishing to embarrass the student in one thing, of course. But few students in the Soviet republics would feel embarrassed. Usually they complain about just the opposite: their foreign teachers do not correct them enough.
Is there no reference or resource related to the error correction you've referred to that you can direct me to? |
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