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Friend going to KSA in a few days and I'm TERRIFIED.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find her behavior/persona (as vaguely and indirectly as it has been described) to be at odds with the fact that she is an evangelical Christian.
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Sydney2002



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the poster above- that's quite the stereotype, don't you think? People of all faiths come with their own personalities- there is no 'one size fits all' in Christianity or Orthodox groups anymore than there is within Islam.

To everyone else- I do appreciate the responses here. Anyone with helpful comments please pm me. I do agree that I am probably worrying entirely too much over something that is really not so much my business. It was just the shock of finding out that she really is going to be going to Riyadh, and soon.

I am feeling much more reassured today after having spoken with some fellow teachers who have KSA experience as well.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP should get something else to worry about. Get a cat. Develop an alcohol or heroin addiction.
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crewmeal1



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

May be she has an issue with authority? Who knows? Perhaps if she upsets the locals or religious police she might be looking forward to beatings? S&M? I used to know a guy who was into all that!

If she has any sense she would read up on SA and try to understand the country she is visiting. There is no point in arriving into a new country with attitude and baggage of all sorts!
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rollingk



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all have attitude and perhaps some baggage too, but there's some strange codependency going on here for sure. I wonder who's teasing who up.
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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crewmeal1 wrote:
Perhaps if she upsets the locals or religious police she might be looking forward to beatings?


It could help provide the impetus for an attitude adjustment. Laughing
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Gulezar



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:19 am    Post subject: Nothing to worry about Reply with quote

As soon as she gets off the plane in the airport and says, "I'm not putting that black thing on," the university will put her on the next flight out. The officials who must deal with her at the airport are not going to risk the university's reputation. Eventually, it will be the shaila or the abaya or the curfews or something, but she will not be jailed, just discreetly swept under the rug on the next flight out before she proves to be an embarrassment.
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myohmy



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As soon as she gets off the plane in the airport and says, "I'm not putting that black thing on," the university will put her on the next flight out. The officials who must deal with her at the airport are not going to risk the university's reputation.


No one at the airport is going to ask her to put an abaya on as long as she is modestly dressed. On my first arrival here I was well covered and simply got into the university provided transportation and driven to campus housing.

When I returned this fall, I had an abaya with me but a returning coworker did not. Same scene. She was well covered and got into our awaiting cab without incident.

Obviously, after that we wore our abayas at all times in public.
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Sydney2002



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The woman is in Riyadh now. She's fine. Hopefully she'll stay that way. I was worked up for no good reason, it seems.

Thanks all.
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Gulezar



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:02 am    Post subject: Granted a bit extreme Reply with quote

myohmy wrote:
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As soon as she gets off the plane in the airport and says, "I'm not putting that black thing on," the university will put her on the next flight out. The officials who must deal with her at the airport are not going to risk the university's reputation.


No one at the airport is going to ask her to put an abaya on as long as she is modestly dressed. On my first arrival here I was well covered and simply got into the university provided transportation and driven to campus housing.

When I returned this fall, I had an abaya with me but a returning coworker did not. Same scene. She was well covered and got into our awaiting cab without incident.

Obviously, after that we wore our abayas at all times in public.


Granted, I was a bit extreme. Yes, the university official would drive the new employee to the dorms and a friend would lend her an abaya or she would have her own, but if she were to refuse at that point, she would be stuck in the dorms until she put it on.

But all is well that ends well. The new employee is happily exploring all that KSA has to offer.
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nickelgoat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find the attitude of many of the posters in this thread as reprehensible! The OP had a legitimate concern and the tone of many of these posts is mocking that concern. As soon as the OP mentioned the fact that her friend was Christian, out came the ridiculous anti-Christian remarks. In addition, more comments came up about beatings and other nonsense as if some of you enjoyed making those remarks. Seriously, is there any wonder why ESL has such a bad reputation, if those involved in it turn to black humour when colleagues are struggling? Think about it.
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CANDLES



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chill out!!!!

If the woman is insane (and many are in KSA) then they deserve all the criticism they get.

Nothing to do with religion!
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nickelgoat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why diss others? This post shows your frustration with life. You'd probably never have the courage to say things like this toher face, hiding behind a assumed name. Are you trying to make the world a better place, or tearing it apart by being true only to yourself? We need less of that here in Saudi and in the world at large. You may be right in that it has nothing to do with "religion" (spoken like an atheist would say) but with simple decency and human kindness.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear CANDLES,

Insane people deserve criticism? Is that a new psychiatric technique? If so,
I doubt it'll have much, if any, success. Very Happy

Regards.
Crazy John
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CANDLES



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most 'crazy' people don't tell the HR or the recruitment agencies that they are on prescribed medication for their behaviour.

Their colleagues get to find out about this in the most frightening and unexpected way and get the brunt of it.

No, I wasn't being pedantic, bored with life or generally anything negative, but if someone pointedly wants to affront people, their culture, etc. for the sake of it, then really I have no time for them.

As for religion-WHY or WHY does religion come into (any) conversation when it's not required or needed? And why assume that I'm an atheist?

Rolling Eyes
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