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What makes an international school.....international?
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rioux



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:10 am    Post subject: What makes an international school.....international? Reply with quote

I was told and have had some experience with a few places that simply throw in the word "International" as part of their school name with little to show that they are indeed an international school.

Here are some things I look for if I were to deem an international school truly international.

1. Are classes and meetings done using the English language?
I understand there will be exceptions like if one is teaching or participating in a German (or any other) language course.

2. Are the textbooks in English?

3. Is the school more organized than what one would see elsewhere?

4. Is there a mix of foreign faculty -> When I was in the Philippines I would see many places claiming to be international when every teacher employed was a Filipino (I think for show the principal of one school nearby my home was an American).

5. Lunch menus should be a mix of food from various countries.

6. What should be the standard for hiring qualified teachers?

Is there anything else you think that belongs to the list?
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A593186



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are rather naive. Who told you that the word "International" in a school's title thus makes it any different, better, or more international than any other school (in China that is)?

All your answers can be answered only by the schools themselves. Every school does its own thing.

You are a licensed teacher back home? I'm guessing the answer is "no" and that you think you can just roam into the country, get a job at a higher-end school, make much more cash than the mean. Licensed teachers usually have actual job in their home country and if they can't get one that way, then there is more sinister issue afoot.
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mambawamba



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Main criteria to whether a school is International or not is which passport holders can enroll.

In an ideal world many of the factors you have on your list should be in place. The unfortunate truth is that many International schools are not fit for purpose.

@A593186 your petticoat is showing.
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The word "international" seems to translate to "money" on mainland China. Products coming out of "international" places in this country most often appear to involve only one party/nation. Foreign civilizations are usually obvious on the adverts of goods/services "created" by locals. What is troubling, to me, is that Chinese not only copy but assemble the work of others into their own brand names. In education, the trend has produced some highly questionable practices, materials, approach to learners etc.

What, in my opinion, ought to be of the highest value in the OP's message is that many locals appear gullible and many also seem to believe that if a place is run by Chinese nationals, it'll insure the product's suitability. This is as sinister as it can get. The nation spends on low quality custom-made goods/services to keep the party members' posts and investments secure.

The fact that Chinese employers hope we get misled by their ominous advertising is, in my view, often secondary, although it is significant we read about it online. Not communicating the delusive offers may only increase chances of those employers success.

Truly international schools must have international management, international academic material, international standards for recruitment as well as they must have international methodology and an international evaluation system that is under the leadership of an international college board. All this, due to some shady dealings gets more often demoralized and the integrity compromised however. How far our civilizations can go with the corruption remains to be seen.


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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mambawamba wrote:
Main criteria to whether a school is International or not is which passport holders can enroll.
Yes but there seems to be a high number of mainland Chinese with foreign passports. Many in Guangzhou hold Hong Kong citizenships too. Even though you are provided their foreign documentation, you see the same stereotype. But then, ending up with Russian gangsters kids isn't as satisfactory either. I'd call this "international school" concept here catch 22.
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chinatimes



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1. Are classes and meetings done using the English language?


No different then non-international schools. In fact, if you work at a non-international school you will ONLY be using English 95% of the time. An international school might have Chinese as a language taught also since the students might be from other countries.

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2. Are the textbooks in English?


Varies from school to school. If you are starting out, chances are it will be no different than a non-international school but you will have students from other countries. If you are qualified to teach other subjects like math or science, then the books might have better English but because it lacks Chinese translations it is more difficult to understand for the student.

I love it how they have English to Chinese dictionaries but when you go to teach oral English, they need to go Chinese to English if they don't know the word for something. They got the input part down, but nothing to help the students talk to you.

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3. Is the school more organized than what one would see elsewhere?


International schools I have come across tend to have more money, but at the same time more complaining rich parents, "The teacher isn't using the book enough" (following week from another rich parent), "The teacher is using the book too much". Then, they throw students at different levels in one class and expect you to teach them as a group as if the smart ones won't be bored and the lower levels won't be confused when you challenge the higher level students.

In the end, you are supposed to sing and dance and play games so ALL can participate and laugh and play and look like they are having more fun than gum drop bears dancing around trees.

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4. Is there a mix of foreign faculty -> When I was in the Philippines I would see many places claiming to be international when every teacher employed was a Filipino (I think for show the principal of one school nearby my home was an American).


Philippines is not a good example because they speak English more and come to countries like Korea and China to teach English for very little pay.

The mix depends on the countries they need teachers from. I have Chinese friends who speak Japanese quite well, but schools are only hiring native Japanese speakers or Korean speakers. At the college level, they simply come and go after their time is up.

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5. Lunch menus should be a mix of food from various countries.


This will probably never happen unless you get enough rich parents to complain about the Chinese menu. You are more likely to get different meals at a language school which has Koreans or Japanese going to it.

They will order food from a restaurant with international food and you can request a lunch or dinner. At a public school, they will NOT hire Korean or Japanese chefs just because it is an international school. Sorry.

Any Chinese attempt to give you decent Korean bibimbap or samgyeopsal will yield disappointment. Same goes with Japanese udon noodles, sushi, or okonomiyaki.

I know my international food and I will NOT each non-chinese food at any Chinese restaurant or school cafeteria.

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6. What should be the standard for hiring qualified teachers?


There will be no standard, but each school will have their preferences. Some look at experience. Others look at certificates. Too many look at the expenses and hire Filipinos or Mexicans to offset getting a few native English speakers.

They make the native English speaker teach more classes, pay them a bit more. Then, they have the other teachers who can also teach English teach things like computers where you don't need to speak. They save money in the end.

Chances are China is the worst place to look for "quality" education. It's more like they will find the least qualified, pay the least, and then squeeze as much out of that teacher.

If that doesn't work, there is always "Crazy English". You can herd a bunch of students to a mountain and scream English till you are blue in the face. This is supposed to make you learn English faster.

When I get these students in college or high school, it's like I am talking to a siren. They have no concept of volume adjustment, they just say any English sentence they have chanted as loud as they can into my face.
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