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nonconsilium
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 Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: What's a typical starting rate for admissions consulting? |
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| Hi y'all, what do you suppose a typical starting rate is for an admissions consultant in a metropolitan hub? Not perks like housing, etc., but just how much share of the contract fee should the consultant working within a company hope to get? |
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Bud Powell
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| You're going over to the Dark Side? |
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nonconsilium
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| Well, I don't really see it that way, or else I wouldn't be moving (temporarily) into consulting. 1. I need a job. The U.S. is failing its college graduates (i.e. no jobs here, unless I want to continue as a cashier on food stamps indefinitely). 2. I have a very strong education, plenty of loans out, and English teaching at some private, for-profit school in China is often worse in terms of contributing to an abusive private sector with zero accountability. It's also a lot less interesting (I don't want to be an English teacher again--most boring job in the world, and it really underutilizes the teacher's mind). 3. Chinese college applicants only compete amongst themselves for U.S. spots, and it's already the case that the rich kids are virtually the only ones who make it abroad. As a one-on-one consultant, at least I can try to "subvert" them into thinking about larger social issues and equality of opportunity, and getting kids to study abroad exposes them to the West's ideal values (which we fall far short of delivering on, thus my having to look for work abroad) far more effectively than I could ever hope to do. |
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Bud Powell
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"...and English teaching at some private, for-profit school in China is often worse in terms of contributing to an abusive private sector with zero accountability..."
How do you know this?
Sir, America isn't "failing its college graduates." When you become older, you'll learn that EVERYONE must suffer the tides of economic adversity at some time. Your opportunity to experience adversity came at an inconvenient time for you, as it does for everyone.
So you want to talk Chinese students out of studying in the west?
What is your agenda? |
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teenoso
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:39 am Post subject: |
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As a one-on-one consultant, at least I can try to "subvert" them into thinking about larger social issues and equality of opportunity
how naive can you be - you think your employer will tolerate this kind of consulting ? It's just biting the hand that feeds you (and hypocritical in my view ). It's the rich kids who are paying you -duh!
(I don't want to be an English teacher again--most boring job in the world, and it really underutilizes the teacher's mind
you're going to get a lot of symapthy on this teachers' board with that attitude ! |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Pay no attention.
Tā shì yúfū |
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nonconsilium
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Never fails. You ask a legitimate question, but you don't get a proper answer, just one prematurely judgemental one. You throw out some deliberately inflammatory comments to counter the judgemental answer, people come out of the woodwork to wax righteous on you. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| nonconsilium wrote: |
| .....deliberately inflammatory comments..... |
methinks that be known as trolling.
the style and method seemeth vaguely familiar.
whyfore art that?
discuss. |
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BeijingBill
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| Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:08 pm Post subject: Admissions Consulting |
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Admissions Consulting?
What do you do?
1. Need translator to talk to parents (there goes a %)
2. You say you "dont want to teach" so you cannot help them pass SAT/TOEFL/Essay Editing needed to go abroad (there goes %)
3. "Consulting" usually does not handle the documents needed to go abroad (another %)
-So by looking at there interests and telling them "Oh, you like beaches, then California is the place for you to go to school."
-----How much do you think you deserve?---- |
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| Sir, America isn't "failing its college graduates." When you become older, you'll learn that EVERYONE must suffer the tides of economic adversity at some time. Your opportunity to experience adversity came at an inconvenient time for you, as it does for everyone. |
Well not everyone as has been the case most recent....and by America failing, if he means an economic structure that allows for continued opportunity in career fields that enables an individual to make a living wage, he is correct. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:47 am Post subject: |
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The implication is that America owes him something, that he is being actively denied his dream. True, the American economy has failed in many sectors, but the OP is taking it personally. He states that
"...As a one-on-one consultant, at least I can try to "subvert" them into thinking about larger social issues and equality of opportunity..."
He's sour so he wants to sour others on America. Smooth move, dude. And he expects positive responses.
A penny for the OP's thoughts, not fifty cents.
Read a HuffPo editorial about Gen Y graduates and yuppies:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wait-but-why/generation-y-unhappy_b_3930620.html |
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choudoufu
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nice story.
"Lucy's Depression Era grandparents were obsessed with economic security and raised her parents to build practical, secure careers."
this part sounds kinda chineasy. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
nice story.
"Lucy's Depression Era grandparents were obsessed with economic security and raised her parents to build practical, secure careers."
this part sounds kinda chineasy. |
But it makes sense: Build a career and live within your means.
One of the problems with America is that people lived beyond their means, bought expensive cars and lived the high life because they believed that their McMansions would double in value in a few years, and they'd be set for the next home investment. They were addicted to the housing market and to credit.
When the bubble burst, many walked away from their responsibilities and blamed America for their problems when part of the answer to what happened lie within.
Gen Y comes along and asks, "Where's my trophy for coming in last place? My parents scr*wed everything up for me. Why can't i be what i want to be NOW?
Them's the breaks, folks. If you took out loans for school, you should pay them back, not expect other tax payers to bail you out.
So the OP's misdirected ambition to become an admissions counselor seem suspect.
A penny for his thoughts? How about a merkin for his quim? |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
| But it makes sense |
oh, i agree. i see the similarities. my depression-era granny collected
twine and aluminum foil and paper bags and ham sacks up until she
died. literally tons of stuff piled up in the garage because she never
throw away anything useful.
some of my "older" chinese girlfriends who grew up during dark days
have the same habits. saving cans and bottles and cardboard to sell to
the recycling guys. doesn't matter they have good jobs and nice
apartments..........still can't use the balcony due to the piles of stuff.
(and only get 15-20 rmb for the trouble)
granny told the kids to go to school and get a good education. find a
job that would pay well so you could support a family. lawyer, doctor,
accountant, and so on. all were good. some were boring.
hippy kids tell their offspring to do what feels good, be self-actualized,
man. spend 6 years on campus, get that degree in philosophy or
meditation studies. don't worry about money man, that's uncool.
chinese mommies and daddies want their kids to go to good schools,
meaning western schools (if you don't count the few sorta decent
chinese unis). spend any amount to get their kids accepted, cause
a western degree trumps a chinese degree. (maybe even philosophy
degrees.) cause it's a tough world and you gotta compete. |
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A593186
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| Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:58 am Post subject: Re: What's a typical starting rate for admissions consulting |
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| nonconsilium wrote: |
| Hi y'all, what do you suppose a typical starting rate is for an admissions consultant in a metropolitan hub? Not perks like housing, etc., but just how much share of the contract fee should the consultant working within a company hope to get? |
This is a good example of someone doing something they shouldn't be doing. You have no clue of the average salary for the field, which means you have no real knowledge of the field, expectations, etc. which is only indicative of your lack of any experience.
I guess Bud Powell is our supposed Chinese language educator. It's better, again, to use actual Chinese characters to teach us Chinese; then again, we can all use the same online translator you use.
And what is "woodwork to wax righteous on you" . . . something is missing there.
"It" never fails. People deserve appropriate, answering-ing, answers when they make sense. Again, someone who has no knowledge of the field, pay, etc. shouldn't be doing that job. |
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