|
Job Discussion Forums "The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
|
View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
|
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Tretyakovskii wrote: |
Quote: |
that is a 30-60 day wait back home, depending on the school doing the hiring, and the lawyer they use. |
You missed a point that I made: waiting for those processes to be completed in Mexico, do not require his present in the states. He only needs to go there after those are finished, and this only to pick up the visa.
Quote: |
Can you expand on that? |
Guy, if you haven't already, click on the link I provided for details. |
This is true...you can wait it out here. I do see that happening here a lot actually. Not supposed to work in that period, but that's not a big deal usually. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
csr8953
Joined: 12 Sep 2013 Posts: 8
|
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks for the advice, everybody. I think that I will just accept the fact that I'll need to make a trip out of the country to pick up my visa as part of the costs of getting set up.
As far as taking the CELTA in Mexico City, I know that there is a branch of International House Mexico there that offers it. However, I'm wary of how little information is available online about their CELTA. I originally planned to study there, but I found that the Riviera Maya location had much more information available about the school and the CELTA, and I found reviews of the course on external websites.
I'm going to be staying at a guest house for the month of the course, and then will either fly or catch a bus to Mexico City at the end of November. I've heard that job opportunities won't really come around until January, so I'll have to wait a little while before I even get a job offer, but I have some savings and live very frugally. I also have a friend who is trying to set me up with a place to stay with her friends when I arrive, which would be very nice. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Xie Lin

Joined: 21 Oct 2011 Posts: 731
|
Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
BadBeagleBad wrote: |
Guy Courchesne wrote: |
[
Can you expand on that? I'm interested in knowing about it... |
I think there was a typo. It said that student had to show a bank account with $98,000 dollars OR show income of 800 dollars a month. So I am suspecting that either the 9 or 8 doesn't need to be there. |
That would make a lot of sense. The two figures are wildly disproportionate.
. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
|
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: |
I'm going to be staying at a guest house for the month of the course, and then will either fly or catch a bus to Mexico City at the end of November. I've heard that job opportunities won't really come around until January, so I'll have to wait a little while before I even get a job offer, but I have some savings and live very frugally. I also have a friend who is trying to set me up with a place to stay with her friends when I arrive, which would be very nice. |
You'll be fine. It's not rocket science, after all.... |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
|
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: |
I think there was a typo. It said that student had to show a bank account with $98,000 dollars OR show income of 800 dollars a month. So I am suspecting that either the 9 or 8 doesn't need to be there. |
On something like this we don't have to wonder. Other Mexican Embassy websites have published the same requirements.
If a parent is willing to submit financial data meeting the requirements, this is a way to deal with it, but the requirements are stiff. It doesn't offer a convenient solution to the problem under discussion here that I thought it would, because of this. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
MotherF
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1450 Location: 17�48'N 97�46'W
|
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
But if the school year is 10 months long and they need to show 800 a month, then I'd still lean towards a typo higher up the line, because 10 months of 800 would be 8,000. Why would you need ten times more up front than if you were getting it in monthly installments? |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
|
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: |
Why would you need ten times more up front than if you were getting it in monthly installments? |
Ah, an attempt to apply reason to law, always risky....
We'd have to ask the legislators, "What could you have been thinking?"!!!
If we do turn to reason, then we have the proposition that a beca providing $800/month to the student would probably be coming from an institution, not an individual. The other number, representing cash on deposit, refers to an individual underwriting you. There is some sense, then, in making the distinction, even if we don't agree to the particulars. For example, I'd prefer not to live on $800 per month, but somewhere other than Cancun that might be more than enough (I'm reminded of your comments about how cheap it is to live in your city, of which I'm a little envious: we pay dearly for the water). |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
22Yossarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2013 Posts: 68
|
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hello,
Good luck in Playa del Carmen! I took the CELTA course there last spring, and found it to be a great experience, and I now have an excellent well paying job in Beijing.
It really is a great place to take the CELTA. First, Playa del Carmen is really manageable. If you stay at the IH Residency you are just a 5 minute walk from the IH Center where you will take your courses. The center is basically a hotel, with maid service and everything. That is what I did, and it cost a bit more (by Playa standards), but I wanted something predictable and dependable. Of course, if you are a bit braver, you can look for an apartment, a few of my colleagues did that, and they saved a bit of money, and Playa is so small, the longest walk you will have will be about 20 minutes. That is huge, time is at a premium during the course, but I went to bed at midnight almost every night, and one of the reasons was I spent very little time commuting. Also, if you are staying at the center, no need to pay $75 USD or whatever it is for the IH Transfer, you can take a bus to Playa for about $12 USD, and it drops you off a block from the Residence.
The most important advice I can give you is take care of yourself. You will be running ragged for 4 weeks, and the heat and humidity there are quite oppressive. Make sure you not only drink plenty of water, but you are also getting your electrolytes. In the critique session after I did one of my TPs, all I did was beat myself up, I thought I did a horrible job and felt really bad about the lesson. After we finished up the tutor pulled me aside, and told me I did a fine job and I didn't need to be so hard on myself, and asked me if I was getting enough water and electrolytes. On the way back to the Residency, I stopped at the convenient store and picked up some type of electrolyte drink (the name escapes me I've only seen it in Mexico by electrolyte is in the title), and I drank it, and I felt so much better mentally and physically.
Honestly, I cannot think of a better place to get the CELTA than Playa. The only draw back is, you do not have very much time to relax and enjoy the beach during the course. Playa has such a relaxed vibe, which you really need during the CELTA. Stay on top of your work, and you might be able to spare a Saturday morning for the beach, and/or a Friday night for the bar. My one regret was I was a bit strapped for money at the time, and I arrived in Playa two days before the course started and left the day after the course ended, and had no time to explore Mexico.
Good luck! |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
notamiss

Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 908 Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
|
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:22 am Post subject: |
|
|
MotherF wrote: |
But if the school year is 10 months long and they need to show 800 a month, then I'd still lean towards a typo higher up the line, because 10 months of 800 would be 8,000. Why would you need ten times more up front than if you were getting it in monthly installments? |
I think it’s because 1) these are general requirements. for potentially a long-term immigrant who might stay in Mexico, not specifically a teacher who’s aiming to stay for a 10-month stint, and 2) the thinking is that a person who’s going to live off their savings needs a big holding if they’re going to live off of that (perhaps for the rest of their life), whereas a person with an income doesn’t need as much up front under the assumption that said income can be expected to keep coming every month. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
MotherF
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1450 Location: 17�48'N 97�46'W
|
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
notamiss wrote: |
MotherF wrote: |
But if the school year is 10 months long and they need to show 800 a month, then I'd still lean towards a typo higher up the line, because 10 months of 800 would be 8,000. Why would you need ten times more up front than if you were getting it in monthly installments? |
I think it’s because 1) these are general requirements. for potentially a long-term immigrant who might stay in Mexico, not specifically a teacher who’s aiming to stay for a 10-month stint, and 2) the thinking is that a person who’s going to live off their savings needs a big holding if they’re going to live off of that (perhaps for the rest of their life), whereas a person with an income doesn’t need as much up front under the assumption that said income can be expected to keep coming every month. |
But it's for a student visa? You are limited for one year. (with renewals if you are doing a full course of study in Mexico.) |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Xie Lin

Joined: 21 Oct 2011 Posts: 731
|
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
For what it's worth:
Among the countries whose student visa laws I have looked at, it is usual for the required amount of financial resources on hand to be a multiple of the alternatively required monthly income. Number of months of visa mulplied by required monthly income equals required bank balance (as suggested by MotherF.) For example, Spain requires proof of a monthly income of $1,000, OR a bank statement showing $12,000 for a one-year student visa. Italy is similar. I have seen no student visa requirements with a gap as huge as the one quoted above between the monthly income and bank account balance requirements. They are usually proportional--very close, if not exact multiples. Of course, I've looked at only 8 or so countries, and Mexico may well intend to go down another path entirely, and be an outlier in this regard, but it is curious, nonetheless.
. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
j_nmi_rutledge
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 22 Location: Mexico City
|
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
csr8953 wrote: |
Thanks for the advice, everybody. I think that I will just accept the fact that I'll need to make a trip out of the country to pick up my visa as part of the costs of getting set up.
As far as taking the CELTA in Mexico City, I know that there is a branch of International House Mexico there that offers it. However, I'm wary of how little information is available online about their CELTA. I originally planned to study there, but I found that the Riviera Maya location had much more information available about the school and the CELTA, and I found reviews of the course on external websites.
I'm going to be staying at a guest house for the month of the course, and then will either fly or catch a bus to Mexico City at the end of November. I've heard that job opportunities won't really come around until January, so I'll have to wait a little while before I even get a job offer, but I have some savings and live very frugally. I also have a friend who is trying to set me up with a place to stay with her friends when I arrive, which would be very nice. |
Hi csr,
I took the CELTA at IH in DF back in June, and I have to say that I am extremely impressed with the quality of the course, especially in how prepared I feel to teach NOT coming from a teaching background. Having said that, I think it is too late for you to change, as I believe I read that your course was starting this week.
As far as finding work, and dealing with the visa, I can tell you that it is possible to begin work with IH after your course. If you are willing to sign a one-year contract to work a minimum of 15 hours per week, they will process your visa for you, and pay for it. Well, I should say that this has been offered in the past. Things change here, so who knows. But it is a possibility. Once your visa is at the final stage, you can then fly to Guatemala City to finalize it and return with your visa. This is much cheaper than flying back to the states and usually only requires a long weekend, or so I am told.
If this is the route you choose, please stay on top of things to make sure you don't run out of time on your tourist visa.
Good luck with everything! And do try to find time to enjoy the beach while you are there. It always seems easier to plan trips than to take them.  |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
csr8953
Joined: 12 Sep 2013 Posts: 8
|
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hey all,
I'm here in Playa and I've just finished my first week at IH Riviera Maya. I agree that the course load is very heavy, but so far it has been manageable. I've heard that it's a different story for weeks 2 and 3, however. The town is beautiful, although I haven't had any time to go to the beach. I'm staying relatively far from the school at a hostel called Hacienda del Sol which I highly recommend. It's past Avenida 125, but with the free bike rentals from the hostel, I can still get to school in 15 minutes tops.
22Yossarian (awesome name, by the way), I'm trying to knock out as much of the written assignments this weekend as I can, because it seems that everything snowballs together pretty quickly later on this week. So far we've been given the "Lessons from the Classroom" self-reflection and "Focus on the Learner" case study. Is there anything that would have made completing these easier for you if you could go back and do it again? They seem relatively straightforward, but any time-saving advice would always help.
j_nmi_rutledge, thanks for your advice. It's good to know that the school in D.F. is also good. I know they're affiliated, but I just couldn't find a terribly large amount of information about the CELTA there other than on their own website. I'm hoping to find work in D.F. after the course; how regularly does IH hire its own graduates? Are you currently working in Mexico?
In general, I think working in Mexico would be awesome as long as I could get the visa issue sorted out without too much hassle. Otherwise, Colombia is also looking pretty good for finding a decent job, although I've heard there's no point looking for a job before February. Even if that's the case, I wouldn't mind a little time to travel and maybe take an intensive Spanish course in the meantime; it would probably help my job search a lot.
Again, thanks for all the awesome advice and support, everyone. I'll let you know how things work out after I'm finished with the course. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
csr8953
Joined: 12 Sep 2013 Posts: 8
|
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Also, BadBeagleBad, I've been following El Jefe's post, since he's doing exactly what I plan to do (except, of course, he has more experience), and I saw that you recommended doing online courses as a way to supplement your income and free yourself up to be a little more picky with your in-person classes.
Would this option be open to me as well? What are the general requirements for securing some consistent work online? |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
j_nmi_rutledge
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 22 Location: Mexico City
|
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
csr8953 wrote: |
Hey all,
I'm hoping to find work in D.F. after the course; how regularly does IH hire its own graduates? Are you currently working in Mexico? |
Well, I can only speak of my class, which finished the first week of July. Everyone that wanted a job had the opportunity. I think it is a fairly regular thing, as long as you do well on the CELTA. I do know they speak with your CELTA trainers before ever speaking to you.
I am working in the city, and for the most part I really like it. I love the city, and I love the time I am actually teaching. My students are awesome and our classes are fun. I truly love teaching.
But,
I absolutely hate all the traveling. Not long after first starting, I factored in all the time I spend traveling - I use public transport, and I'm still not so great with the peseros, which could probably save me some time - and after subtracting what I spend and dividing the pay with the hours taught and hours traveling, it came to about $50MX per hour. Pretty crappy.
I still make enough to survive, but I would rather not be traveling all the time. But, I really enjoy teaching adults and don't have any real interest in teaching kids - they're awesome until they stop behaving and apparently tasers are not an appropriate classroom accessory.
BTW, I guess your class finishes the first of December? Classes here stop on Dec 14, so there won't be any work with IH until January. If it were me, and you do follow up on work here with IH, try to interview from there via Skype and stay and enjoy the beach or explore the rest of the peninsula before you leave. I think Tulum is not to be missed, and you will keep pretty busy once you hit the city. Just my .02$.
Good luck! |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling. Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|