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[NoBillyNO]

They are in effect for some employment in Beijing.....but not for those who are already here....

[johntpartee]

[NP1970]

Expat teachers in China need to grow a spine and some balls and demand better wages. Its a sad day when the recruiters and self-appointed "agents" earn 5 to 10 time more than the teacher who is doing all the work. Not one of you have said how much you are earning now. Why not? If you are proud of the money you are earning tell me how rich and well off you are.

There is not more than a hundred or so teachers in Beijing who are making over 20,000 rmb a month for 40 hours of work unless they are AP-certified. Every foreign teacher in Beijing and Shanghai is entitled to earn more and get yearly raises like their Chinese counter parts. So if you are goin to bash me at least say how much you are earning for how many hours teaching what level of kids.

[choudoufu]

[muffintop]

[Banner41]

[vikeologist]

I don't really understand the connection. We're not bashing you because of how much we earn, or how many hours we work. we're bashing you because you are misguided and / or dishonest. Neither of those are really salary related issues.

I get paid a small amount for doing a very small amount of work that I enjoy. I used to get paid a lot for doing an incredibly stressful job.

I'm ostensibly a manager at my Uni, and I don't get paid enough for that, but I chose to take on that responsibility. When my contract's up, I will leave unless my Uni give me (at the very least) a 33% rise, but I know they won't. Sometimes employers (rightly or wrongly) prefer to minimise their expenditure, even at the cost of efficiency.

I've increased my market value, and now my Uni (for whom I've enjoyed working for on the whole) can't or won't show me the money.

So I understand the idea that we should ask for and get more money, but I object to the false equivalencies you use to suggest that we're entitled to it.

[tangal]

[vikeologist]

You may have a point Tangal. I suppose on my part my frustration towards this poster, and it's really just one person, has developed over a long period of time.

I'd like to think that I try to help people with information and advice, but for about 9 months we've had one person giving out misinformation for reasons unclear. Perhaps I have become overly combative, and your post has made me realise that; although the bashing phrase was CTFU's, not mine.

I don't have a problem with anybody else, (still on the board). In fact, maybe unlike others, I quite enjoy Hilena / Backyshaile / A's posts, (and incidentally, I'm not 100% sure that A is the same person as the other 2 pseudonyms). I think (s)he's quite amusing, and though a bit over the top, her polemics do sometimes spark debate. Sometimes, like all of us, she's wrong, but any time we make a statement and think it's true of everywhere in China, we're pretty much guaranteed to be in the same boat.

Incidentally, the sockpuppet thing (and I don't think I've used the term) isn't meant as a generic insult. It's to indicate the fact that the poster is CFTU and pretending to be multiple people to lend credence to their posts and activities. So, it's just one of us who's a sockpuppet. Two if you count A, but I don't think we should, because (s)he isn't pretending to be more than one person.


If we simply ignore CFTU, then he will swamp the board with misinformation, but I accept that I've fallen into the same trap as him. I'll try to be more polite, and I won't 'bash' anybody.

[choudoufu]

[NP1970]

Many people in China now look down upon teachers as "lazy" or "losers" whereas when I first came to china we were "highly respected". What happened?

[johntpartee]