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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China
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| big_big_bang_theory_fan wrote: |
It's sad that nobody has any attention span and able to stick to a topic.
In addition, there is a legal definition difference between foreign workers and foreign experts and foreign teachers in China.
Also, the law was not applied to the nation - it is initially designed as a Beijing locality process.
It is, theoretically to be applied to companies and businesses, not governmental institutions and the like.
Why is it so difficult for people to actually read the proposed law documents (provided nation-wide in English) before spouting off about it?
It's not as applicable to the common foreign expert of foreign teacher in China as everyone is crying about. In the end, it's more hilarious that this desperation to keep that extra 5% tax, amounting to a few hundred RMB is so critical in your survival. Clearly China is an issue for you. Why not go back home and earn money there instead of taking a stand to grab hold of a few dozen DOLLARS? What kind of desperation and running-away-from-something does that show?
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You talk big, making sweeping statements from your high horse, while usually providing little back-up or evidence to support what you are saying. Fancy providing a link to said documents?
If not dismount, grab a shovel and spend some time in the stable instead, rather than leaving us knee deep in the stuff. |
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steve b
Joined: 31 May 2011
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Location: China
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BBTF not everyone has access to legal documents or the knowledge of where to find them. It is interesting to note that you have reduced the rate from 11% to just 5% when the Chinese media quotes the upper figure.
As for people money-grubbing as you imply, I think if you read the posts again a great many of us object to being forced into paying for something we will in all likelihood never receive or never needed in the first place. Where medical insurance is provided why pay? Chinese pension? Right. Unemployment benefit you can't collect as once your job ends so does your time in China?
I agree that there are some that find it difficult to understand what is written and proof positive is laid before us. |
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Javelin of Radiance
Joined: 01 Jul 2009
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Location: The West
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Our FAO still hasn't heard of this tax, and I for one don't mind not paying it 
Anyone who is paying this tax, bad break if you ask me. Being out 11% of your salary for the duration of your time here would suck. My money is better managed by me, not some faceless Chinese bureaucrat. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
Posts: 3325
Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
Our FAO still hasn't heard of this tax, and I for one don't mind not paying it
Anyone who is paying this tax, bad break if you ask me. Being out 11% of your salary for the duration of your time here would suck. My money is better managed by me, not some faceless Chinese bureaucrat. |
still better than the 30%+ deducted from your income in other countries.
federal income tax, social security tax, medicare tax, state income tax,
city/local income tax, new obamacare tax.
plus the effect of employer contributions that reduce the funds allocated
to paying salaries; employers share of payroll tax, matching social security,
federal unemployment tax, state unemployment tax, workers compensation,
and more i don't recall right now.
all managed by faceless bureaucrats, and doing such a fine job, too.
at least with the chinese tax we have a chance to get most of it back! |
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NoBillyNO
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| And China's national monuments are open...... |
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Sarcastro
Joined: 18 Dec 2010
Posts: 89
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| steve b wrote: |
BBTF not everyone has access to legal documents or the knowledge of where to find them. It is interesting to note that you have reduced the rate from 11% to just 5% when the Chinese media quotes the upper figure.
As for people money-grubbing as you imply, I think if you read the posts again a great many of us object to being forced into paying for something we will in all likelihood never receive or never needed in the first place. Where medical insurance is provided why pay? Chinese pension? Right. Unemployment benefit you can't collect as once your job ends so does your time in China?
I agree that there are some that find it difficult to understand what is written and proof positive is laid before us. |
If you live and work in a country as an alien, I feel you should pay into its taxes like social welfare and such. You are protected under the same laws, use the same police force and other city services. If you want into the system that you pay into, then become a citizen.
Working as a foreign national is a privilege, not a right. Pay the extra 5% out of your pay to acknowledge that. BTW, Im an American national, non-citizen. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Sarcastro wrote: |
If you live and work in a country as an alien, I feel you should pay into its taxes like social welfare and such. You are protected under the same laws, use the same police force and other city services. If you want into the system that you pay into, then become a citizen.
Working as a foreign national is a privilege, not a right. Pay the extra 5% out of your pay to acknowledge that. BTW, Im an American national, non-citizen. |
yes, that sounds very crunchy kumba-ya lovely. but how about the
reality?
we already pay income tax on income over 4800, which goes to pay for
government services. we (our schools) pay for visas and work permits
directly. anyway, this is a social welfare tax, not a tax to pay the
salaries of cops who sleep at desks under umbrellas along the roadway.
and what social welfare benefits are these?
retirement? not feasible to retire in china.
medical? our school already purchases health/accident insurance.
unemployment? good lucky collecting since your stay in country is
tied to your employment status. you think we'll be permitted to stick
around and collect?
become a citizen? of china? please show us how it's done!!! |
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Chronos
Joined: 27 May 2013
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| steve b wrote: |
BBTF not everyone has access to legal documents or the knowledge of where to find them. It is interesting to note that you have reduced the rate from 11% to just 5% when the Chinese media quotes the upper figure.
As for people money-grubbing as you imply, I think if you read the posts again a great many of us object to being forced into paying for something we will in all likelihood never receive or never needed in the first place. Where medical insurance is provided why pay? Chinese pension? Right. Unemployment benefit you can't collect as once your job ends so does your time in China?
I agree that there are some that find it difficult to understand what is written and proof positive is laid before us. |
If you live and work in a country as an alien, I feel you should pay into its taxes like social welfare and such. You are protected under the same laws, use the same police force and other city services. If you want into the system that you pay into, then become a citizen.
Working as a foreign national is a privilege, not a right. Pay the extra 5% out of your pay to acknowledge that. BTW, Im an American national, non-citizen. |
Gee, wow, sounds fantastic.....now why don't you tell that very same thing to all the foreigners that invade the USA illegally and want (nay, Demand) all sorts of rights, privileges, and benefits that they do not pay for? Illegals have more rights in the USA (and my state of California) than we the citizens of the country. BTW, we have to pay taxes to the USA for the work we do in China, so is it fair that we need to pay taxes to two countries? Come on, get real. Any normal person tries to pay as little as possible, and some silly insurance that we will never see any benefit from is ridiculous. I agree with choudoufu, we already pay plenty as it is, and as the rich Americans, we probably pay more than the locals in every way.
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