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doogsville
Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 924 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Advice |
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| Yes, be friendly, but not very, or they will not respect you. |
This completely contradicts my experience. I am always very friendly to my students, as I am with my colleagues, friends and often random strangers I meet on my travels. It in no way undermines my authority over them. For instance a student is late, I make them stand at the door, tell me why they are late, and then apologise to me and their classmates for wasting my time and their time and money. My students are almost never late since I started doing that. If I see someone playing with a cell phone I take it off them and they don't get it back till the end of the class. If they bring their homework late without a very good, provable excuse, I don't accept it and they get a score of 0.
My students, some of whom I've been teaching for three semesters now, tell both me and the school authorities, who survey them on my performance, that they like me and that they respect me because I am tough on them but nice and friendly.
I don't get people who think that you have to dress a particular way or act in a particular way in order to be 'professional' and maintain authority. Just be a professional and use your authority wisely. Authority is not for power trips, it's a tool for maintaining order and discipline in the classroom so students have the best possible environment for learning. If you can't provide that with a smile and a laugh then maybe you should think about how you could. As Dr. Ruth, the famous sex therapist once said, 'a lesson learned in humor is a lesson retained'. |
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chinatimes
Joined: 27 May 2012 Posts: 478
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Don't stress out too much. I have been in classes where only 3 participated and I lectured the rest to get involved but no one else did. I got high marks with that class, but another class which was the opposite with 3 bad students gave me low marks. It only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch.
Out of 36 classes, I had 1 class write up a letter to me asking me to change the lesson structure. This was the worst class out of 36, one student shouted "F U" during one class. I went to the head English teacher to let her know about this and she told me not to worry about it and that the Chinese teacher for that class should not have had the students write up a letter but instead discuss the issues concerning her class. After that incident, I noticed that teacher either never showed up when it was my turn to teach or she was removed.
Each class is unique. What works in one class won't work in another, even if they are at the same level. The classes consist of different personality types. If more people are introverted, they will want more time to reply. The extroverted bunches want to see reactions and tend to laugh at every little thing.
Whatever you decide to teach, mix teaching with something else like a game or activity. This allows people a choice to participate. They may not want to answer your question directly in class, but if the question comes up as a trivia or game question they might be more motivated to give the answer. |
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teenoso
Joined: 18 Sep 2013 Posts: 365 Location: south china
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:21 am Post subject: |
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"I am always very friendly to my students, as I am with my colleagues, friends and often random strangers I meet on my travels. It in no way undermines my authority over them. For instance a student is late, I make them stand at the door, tell me why they are late, and then apologise to me and their classmates for wasting my time and their time and money.
you cannot be serious ? how is this 'friendly '?
the best advice I got from an experienced teacher was , always assume that a student who is late has a good reason to be so. Why should they apologise ? and how is their being late , wasting your time ? |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:57 am Post subject: |
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C'times
'Whatever you decide to teach, mix teaching with something else like a game or activity. This allows people a choice to participate. They may not want to answer your question directly in class, but if the question comes up as a trivia or game question they might be more motivated to give the answer'.
EXACTLY!! |
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doogsville
Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 924 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| teenoso wrote: |
"I am always very friendly to my students, as I am with my colleagues, friends and often random strangers I meet on my travels. It in no way undermines my authority over them. For instance a student is late, I make them stand at the door, tell me why they are late, and then apologise to me and their classmates for wasting my time and their time and money.
you cannot be serious ? how is this 'friendly '?
the best advice I got from an experienced teacher was , always assume that a student who is late has a good reason to be so. Why should they apologise ? and how is their being late , wasting your time ? |
Why assume anything, I'm an experienced teacher, and making assumptions sounds like bad advice to me. I do it because coming to class late is disruptive, rude and isn't tolerated in the world of work, where my students all hope to end up. If I tolerate lateness, I'm teaching them that being late is okay, and it's not. In a work situation it could result in them being fired. I make them apologise if their excuse for being late is not a good one. Most of them are late because they slept late, which, considering their dorms are about five minutes from the classroom door, is simply not good enough. Very rarely do I hear a reasonable excuse, and those who have one don't have to apologise. they have to apologise to their classmates, because their classmates are paying for my time, and if I have to stop what I'm doing to admit latecomers and put their names on the register, then I'm not teaching, which is what they are paying me to do. Having to stop teaching because people are coming in, putting bags down, scraping chairs across the floor and talking is wasting my time because I can't teach and the students can't study while that's going on. My time, as I've already said, costs money.
Before I started doing this, I could expect up to a quarter of any class to arrive late. It's endemic in my uni, and there's no penalty for being consistently late. Now that my students have to explain themselves and apologise, I have almost no latecomers at all. Now I can start the class by taking the register and get on with the business of teaching, in a friendly way. |
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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late student is invited to sit in the front row as teacher's special
friend. special friend gets to answer many questions. special friend
gets to demonstrate kungfu mastery of grammar principles. special
friend gets to participate in all dialogs. special friend....and so on.
special friend always arrives on time. |
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teachingld2004
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 389
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:11 pm Post subject: advice |
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If your read what I said, I said be friendly but not their friends. I said I am their friends after the grades are in.
I am friendly. After class last Monday I went to lunch with two of the students. I tell them I am always available for them before class, break time, and after class. They have my email and phone number.
My main focus is to be their teacher.
Too many teachers get in trouble by becoming "pals".
4 x students just left. I taught them a year and 1/2 ago. They really did become my friends. Now they are seniors and soon will have to look for jobs.
We have talked about different levels of friend ship. We can talk about anything and everything. But we could not do that when I was their teacher.
So when I say "be friendly but not their friend", understand where I am coming from. |
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mw182006

Joined: 10 Dec 2012 Posts: 310
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:11 am Post subject: |
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So how's it going mcloo? I've got my first class in about 30 minutes  |
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Javelin of Radiance

Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1187 Location: The West
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| teenoso wrote: |
"I am always very friendly to my students, as I am with my colleagues, friends and often random strangers I meet on my travels. It in no way undermines my authority over them. For instance a student is late, I make them stand at the door, tell me why they are late, and then apologise to me and their classmates for wasting my time and their time and money.
you cannot be serious ? how is this 'friendly '?
the best advice I got from an experienced teacher was , always assume that a student who is late has a good reason to be so. Why should they apologise ? and how is their being late , wasting your time ? |
Sorry mate but most of the time it's the same students who are repeatedly late. And unless you include "I couldn't wake up on time" or "it was raining" in the list of good reasons for being late, then they don't have a good reason for being late. People strolling in whenever they feel like it, it's usually not just one, is disruptive and wastes time. I lay down a few class rules on Day 1, be on time is one of them, and it's possible to be fair and friendly yet still carry out your duties and enforce any rules you may have. As has already been said, teaching them to be on time is going to help them at some point. |
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Denim-Maniac
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| mw182006 wrote: |
So how's it going mcloo? I've got my first class in about 30 minutes  |
+1
C'mon mcloo ... you were a very prolific poster pre-China. We want to know whats happening now you are in-China. |
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mcloo7
Joined: 18 Aug 2009 Posts: 434 Location: Hangzhou
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I thought this thread was buried, I didnt see these later two posts. The class went well, thank you all very much. I realize my question may have sounded a little unprofessional, but I was nervous. And now, I most likely will never have to ask it again.
One of my co-workers was specifically helpful by telling me what he did in his first classes, and showing me the slide show that he used. I made a powerpoint slide show, with lots of pictures introducing myself, and where Im from; what my home city it like; what I like about China so far, etc. They seemed to really enjoy this. Than, like my coworker, I had my students make name cards with construction paper that I gave them. I bought multi colored construction paper, and I told them that they can pick the color, but they have to say the name of it when they pick; I went around and handed these papers out. Then they had to pick an English name; I solicited names that they knew and wrote them on the board, then added some new names to it. They wrote their Chinese names, and student numbers on the other side of the folded part of the paper, and on the inside of the paper they had to answer some questions that I gave them, such as where are they from, what do they like about their hometown, what are their three favorite things to do, and why do they want to learn English. This whole process took about half of a two-period class (40 minutes.)
For the second half of class I had them play People Bingo. But I see now that other games go by that name too. I wrote a grid with 25 squares; in each square I wrote a certain fact such as "likes pu'erh tea" and students had to go around and find a person who matches up with a square and get them to sign their name. This went quicker than I thought it would so in the first couple of classes I had to change the parameters as we were going by saying you had to have three lines of names to win, rather than 1. I also brought prizes to give to the winners of these games.
After that, they all had to stand up and tell me something they learned about one of their classmates that they didnt know before. In my first few classes, all these things took one and a half classes, but by my last three classes, we got it done all in the first class (which is 1.5 hours). It went well. |
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Denim-Maniac
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 1238
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| Congrats sir ... that sounds like a very solid first lesson! Glad it went well for you! And nice to read your update too! Keep 'em coming! |
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mcloo7
Joined: 18 Aug 2009 Posts: 434 Location: Hangzhou
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Denim-Maniac wrote: |
| Congrats sir ... that sounds like a very solid first lesson! Glad it went well for you! And nice to read your update too! Keep 'em coming! |
Thanks. |
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Non Sequitur
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Ditto
Within the constraints of your usual China classroom, getting students moving aids enjoyment and learning.
You're on your way! |
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