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domjohnson



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:57 pm    Post subject: Short term contract/no degree Reply with quote

Hi there,
I'm currently planning my post-sixth form gap year (which means I'll be 18/19 when I plan to go) and would love to go to China to teach English. However, I am not sure I could commit to a whole year abroad, and so am hoping for shorter-term contracts - between 4 and 6 months.

At the moment, I'm considering undertaking the internship offered by teflinternships.com, which is around 4 months, but I'm not sure if this is the best route to go down - I don't know for sure whereabouts in China I'll be and I'm a little weary of the amount of money put down straight away. So I'm now thinking that I could perhaps take the TEFL qualification and then try and land a short contract in China.

So my question is - is this possible to do? Would it be difficult, especially given my lack of degree, experience, and my age? I'd hate for me to invest the time and money into the qualification to find that I'm unable to actually go.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very slim chance of this happening.

1) You have no degree, which makes it more difficult, and against employment immigration rules
2) Your age, which makes it more difficult, and against employment immigration rules
3) You want a short term contract, which is not very common. The employer has to shell out money to get you hear, so are unlikely to hire short term when they could find someone for a year

Most offers you would end up getting would be for illegal employment.
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legally you arent going to be qualified to work in China. Age and lack of completed university degree (as well as two years work experience) are the hurdles you probably wont be able to overcome.

Internship and volunteer programs are probably the way to go ... but it isnt always essential to pay for placements on programs like those. There are sometimes freebie alternatives that might be available. You may also find that you could book a 'learn Chinese' course for the same price as a paid internship which is another way of spending time in China legally.

We offer both at my place. http://www.omeida.org/ If you look at the website, and click the available job openings, you will see the volunteer option. There is no fee, and up to 10 hours volunteering a week (normally done as 1-1 sessions with our VIP students, generally less than 10 hours per week) in return for free board, food and utilities. The vast majority of the students are adults ... so they might be keener on older volunteers ... but if you have a mature approach and take it semi-seriously you might well be OK.
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Mr. Leafy



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denim-Maniac wrote:
You may also find that you could book a 'learn Chinese' course for the same price as a paid internship which is another way of spending time in China legally.

This is a good idea.

If you are in 6th form in the UK I'm sure there are no shortage of people targeting gap year programs at you. Some will specialise in teaching or in China.

Some of programs below have half-year options. I am not personally familiar with any of them but a nearby school sometimes has kids doing gap years with them, coming from various programs.

As has been mentioned, you won't get legal paid work.

Gap Year Providers (I just had these at hand because my school had been considering hosting students.)

http://www.yearoutgroup.org/destinations/asia/china/

http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2006/jul/30/gapyeartravel.observerescape

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/gap-year/top-five-gap-year-organisations-8121317.html

http://www.gooverseas.com/gap-year/china
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used a gap year provider before: real gap / gap year for adults. They were my introduction to travelling really and I did a stint in Africa and later, a trip to China with them. The disadvantage is that they charge a lot of money for something that generally doesnt need to be paid for if you have contacts, and they offer very little service once you are in-country. Orientation is normally provided locally with little quality control etc.

The price is often a bit of a con. On my China trip several people booked for 3 months ... many booked for longer, up to 9 months. The school we were placed at didnt see any of that money and let the 3 month volunteers stay for extra months at no cost, as long as they continued to volunteer. The 9 month volunteers paid a lot more money for nothing really.

The big advantage for someone so young is the likelihood of sharing your 'adventure' with other like minded individuals. That might be key of course.
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A593186



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What, is "gap year" the self-denial term for can't get a job in my own country? I've heard the term used for 10 years, before that it was called, "backpack across Europe."

OP, you don't qualify for employment in China. Don't waste time, effort, money, or anything else on it. How many foreigners don't meet the immigration requirements in your home country and yet still come and get legal jobs? Don't consider coming to China, you don't meet the necessary requirements.
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Mr. Leafy



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A593186 wrote:
What, is "gap year" the self-denial term for can't get a job in my own country? I've heard the term used for 10 years, before that it was called, "backpack across Europe."

Prince Henry of Wales did a gap year in Lesotho and I don't imagine he'd have trouble getting a job in his own country, in fact I believe he has a rather interesting job now.
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domjohnson



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A593186 wrote:
What, is "gap year" the self-denial term for can't get a job in my own country? I've heard the term used for 10 years, before that it was called, "backpack across Europe."


Has it occurred to you that perhaps people get a bit bored of education and want to take the rare chance to do as they like for a short period of their life? And I think "gap year" is probably an Americanism. Its more apt than "backback across Europe" when describing time spent in other parts of the world, don't you think?
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domjohnson



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Cheers Reply with quote

And thanks to those of you who've provided useful information rather than just flaming me because I don't feel any obligation to go straight into higher education after finishing A Levels.

It sounds like the internship is probably the best idea.
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twilothunder



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: Cheers Reply with quote

domjohnson wrote:
And thanks to those of you who've provided useful information rather than just flaming me because I don't feel any obligation to go straight into higher education after finishing A Levels.

It sounds like the internship is probably the best idea.


I don't really see much flaming to be honest.

Maybe you should use your gap year to man up.
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domjohnson



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Cheers Reply with quote

twilothunder wrote:


I don't really see much flaming to be honest.



Then I apologise for the hyperbole. The comment I was referring to annoyed me through its ignorance and arrogance. Anyway...

Has anyone heard anything about the provider teflstop.com? They do a free 6-month, paid (albeit low-wage at 2000RMB/month) internship, I was wondering if anyone had heard about them? A google search yields little about them which I take as being not too great a sign...
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denim-Maniac wrote:


We offer both at my place. http://www.omeida.org/ If you look at the website, and click the available job openings, you will see the volunteer option. There is no fee, and up to 10 hours volunteering a week (normally done as 1-1 sessions with our VIP students, generally less than 10 hours per week) in return for free board, food and utilities. The vast majority of the students are adults ... so they might be keener on older volunteers ... but if you have a mature approach and take it semi-seriously you might well be OK.


Thought Id add to this ... we actually have a 16-year-old German girl doing some volunteer stuff with us at the moment. She is here studying Chinese and is doing some volunteer stuff at the same time. So your age wouldnt exclude you here.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:25 am    Post subject: Re: Cheers Reply with quote

domjohnson wrote:
The comment I was referring to annoyed me through its ignorance and arrogance. Anyway...

Has anyone heard anything about the provider teflstop.com? They do a free 6-month, paid (albeit low-wage at 2000RMB/month) internship, I was wondering if anyone had heard about them? A google search yields little about them which I take as being not too great a sign...


don't pay no nevermind to A44444; that's just our resident troll trying
to increase his/her/skler post count before he/she/sklee gets banned.....again.

if you want to get a certificate and/or do some volunteer work, you
might do a search on "buckland" in guangxi province. i'm thinking
they may have a program suitable for y'all.
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domjohnson



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Cheers Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:


if you want to get a certificate and/or do some volunteer work, you
might do a search on "buckland" in guangxi province. i'm thinking
they may have a program suitable for y'all.


I'll take a look at that. It looks great - cheers!
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