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I am so disappointed in the way people are treated in Qatar
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: erm Reply with quote

It's ok to lie to a 'kafir'.
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Wilsonthefarmer



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: I am so disappointed in the way people are treated in Qa Reply with quote

Redcar24 wrote:
I have to say Qatar is by far the worse country to work in all the GGC... Idea What do you have to say?

I guess you mean GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) not GGC.

According to the report published by anti-corruption watchdog Transparency International (TI), Kuwait, along with Saudi Arabia, has scored the worst ranking of all the Gulf Cooperation Council states in a global league table (2012) of perceived official corruption.
http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/190728/reftab/96/Default.aspx
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Geronimo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Guardian" investigation has prompted a response...

"Qatari labour minister Saleh al-Khulaifi said the Gulf state would recruit more inspectors to mount raids and checks on companies
to ensure they comply with labour laws and hire more interpreters to speed up the treatment of complaints from foreign workers.

The move, announced on Monday, is the clearest admission yet from a senior official of serious problems in Qatar's handling
of its 1.2 million migrant labourers. It follows warnings that unless Qatar's punishing labour system is changed, at least 4,000 workers
could die before a ball is kicked at the World Cup.

Al-Khulaifi said Qatar took allegations of maltreatment very seriously, and told reporters:
"We will not hesitate to take necessary action to protect the rights of [the] expatriate workforce."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/qatar-crackdown-deaths-world-cup-construction
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tmac-100



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: erm Reply with quote

dragonpiwo wrote:
It's ok to lie to a 'kafir'.


So if I remove the last word, it is just you stating that lying is OK - unconditionally. Shocked

Hummm. What goes around comes around.
Good journey in YOUR life. Seriously and sheesh Exclamation
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rtm



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geronimo wrote:
The "Guardian" investigation has prompted a response...

"Qatari labour minister Saleh al-Khulaifi said the Gulf state would recruit more inspectors to mount raids and checks on companies
to ensure they comply with labour laws and hire more interpreters to speed up the treatment of complaints from foreign workers.

The move, announced on Monday, is the clearest admission yet from a senior official of serious problems in Qatar's handling
of its 1.2 million migrant labourers. It follows warnings that unless Qatar's punishing labour system is changed, at least 4,000 workers
could die before a ball is kicked at the World Cup.

Al-Khulaifi said Qatar took allegations of maltreatment very seriously, and told reporters:
"We will not hesitate to take necessary action to protect the rights of [the] expatriate workforce."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/qatar-crackdown-deaths-world-cup-construction


But yet, at the same time:

"Seeking to control the damage done by last week’s report in the Guardian detailing labor abuses suffered by Nepali expats in Qatar, representatives from both countries held a press conference in Doha yesterday to refute the allegations.

Mohammad Ramadan, a legal adviser for Nepali nationals who is employed by the Nepali government, said, according to Reuters:

"We deny all that is mentioned in these false reports, and ask the bodies that publish them not to use Nepali workers as a means to achieve their inappropriate targets and agendas."

"We also stress that all Nepali workers are safe and fully respected."

The meeting comes two days before FIFA’s executive committee convenes to discuss shifting the 2022 World Cup from the summer to Qatar’s cooler winter months. Also on the agenda is a discussion of migrant labor issues, which were brought back into the spotlight by last week’s report.

During yesterday’s meeting, Ali al-Marri, the chairman of Qatar’s National Human Rights Committee, admitted there have been “some problems” but denied there was a wider labor rights issue.

According to the Peninsula, al-Marri said:
“There is no slavery or forced labour in Qatar…There have been some problems, owing to the fact that there are 44,000 businesses in the country. But I can assure you that the authorities are constantly making efforts to resolve the problems.”

Rolling Eyes

http://dohanews.co/post/62791697719/qatar-human-rights-committee-nepal-deny-slave-labor
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rtm wrote:
“There is no slavery or forced labour in Qatar…

Perhaps the saddest part of the Gulf labor story is that this is actually true. These poor people sign up for this... in fact, pay recruiters large sums for the opportunity to sign a contract to work for a pittance in a situation that is probably worse than when there was open slavery.

VS
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tmac-100



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
rtm wrote:
“There is no slavery or forced labour in Qatar…

Perhaps the saddest part of the Gulf labor story is that this is actually true. These poor people sign up for this... in fact, pay recruiters large sums for the opportunity to sign a contract to work for a pittance in a situation that is probably worse than when there was open slavery.

VS


The recruiters from India treat the Indian workers poorly. The Filipino recruiters treat the Filipino workers bad. The ...

It is not the Emiratis doing it nor the Qataris either. Perhaps more enforcement is the way to go, BUT even at the job site I see how Indians treat other Indians lower down the "status ladder" with managers asking for a "cut" when a worker does an outside of work job for an expat. The labourers at the bottom of the barrel get less than they should. A driver of a vehicle gets a cut from the labourers doing the furniture hauling, and probably so does "the boss".

Unfortunately, they still are making more than they would be making in their home/native land.
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Geronimo



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As FIFA's Executive Committee meets in Zurich today,

"Hassan al-Thawadi, the man in charge of Qatar's World Cup preparations, has insisted the tournament will not be built on "the blood of innocents" as organisers come under increasing pressure over the issue of workers' rights.

In the wake of a Guardian investigation that showed dozens of Nepalese had been killed in recent weeks alone and warnings from unions that the death toll could reach 4,000 before a ball is kicked if conditions do not improve, the chief executive of the Qatar 2022 supreme committee said the issue was their "top priority".

"This is not a World Cup being built on the blood of innocents. That is unacceptable to anybody and most definitely to ourselves," said Thawadi, who was in Zurich to deliver a progress report on the country's preparations.

The focus of a meeting of Fifa's executive committee was expected to be the shift of the 2022 World Cup to winter to avoid the searing heat of the summer, but Fifa insiders said the renewed pressure over workers' rights had changed the terms of the debate.

Unions protested outside Fifa House and called on world football's governing body to do more to pressure the Qatar government on the issue. The Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, is expected to address the topic on Friday at the conclusion of the two-day meeting.

Thawadi pointed to a workers' rights charter drawn up by the Qatar 2022 supreme committee and said it had been working with Human Rights Watch and Amnesty on the issue for some time.

He insisted that the decision to bring the World Cup to the Middle East for the first time would accelerate progress in improving the rights of the migrant workers who are fuelling the rapid development of the infrastructure required.

"It's important to note this is an issue the government itself is looking into – and the government was looking into this before the World Cup came on board," said Thawadi.....

....Human Rights Watch has called on Fifa to take practical, positive steps to ensure there is a legacy for migrant workers from the Qatar World Cup.

Nicholas McGeehan, a Gulf researcher at Human Rights Watch, said Fifa should insist on a timetable for labour reform for all construction workers in Qatar, offer technical and medical assistance to the Qataris on the issue of heat-related deaths and abolish the exit visa system that has caus