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What are the benefits of teaching in China?
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doogsville



Joined: 17 Nov 2011
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Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my three and a half years here I've never experienced anything that felt like racism. I say felt like because I don't speak the language well enough to know exactly what people are saying about me sometimes. I have experienced curiosity that bordered on rudeness, and rudeness itself, but it doesn't bother me that much, unless I'm tired and grumpy anyway. In my forty something years in the UK I have witnessed a lot or racism first hand, so I don't believe it's something that is in any way unique to the Chinese.

As to the paperwork, I have had no problem, nor has anyone I know personally. I guess it's different for every city and province, and may even vary from employer to employer.

China is a huge, huge country, so it's difficult, and not very useful to make generalisations about what anyone will, or will not, experience here. A quick look through just this board will show you that many of us have had different and sometimes conflicting experiences in certain situations.

Come over, check it out, find your niche and stay as long as it's working out for you. One of the great things about living in such a huge and still developing country is that opportunity abounds for those who are willing to seek it and make the most of it. Sure, the playing field is very unbalanced, the Chinese will look after their own, and we will never truly belong here, at least, not in my lifetime. However the people you will meet day to day will often be friendly, accepting and very willing to help you as you adapt.
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BruceLeeWannaBe



Joined: 12 Jun 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doogsville wrote:
In my three and a half years here I've never experienced anything that felt like racism. I say felt like because I don't speak the language well enough to know exactly what people are saying about me sometimes. I have experienced curiosity that bordered on rudeness, and rudeness itself, but it doesn't bother me that much, unless I'm tired and grumpy anyway. In my forty something years in the UK I have witnessed a lot or racism first hand, so I don't believe it's something that is in any way unique to the Chinese.

As to the paperwork, I have had no problem, nor has anyone I know personally. I guess it's different for every city and province, and may even vary from employer to employer.

China is a huge, huge country, so it's difficult, and not very useful to make generalisations about what anyone will, or will not, experience here. A quick look through just this board will show you that many of us have had different and sometimes conflicting experiences in certain situations.

Come over, check it out, find your niche and stay as long as it's working out for you. One of the great things about living in such a huge and still developing country is that opportunity abounds for those who are willing to seek it and make the most of it. Sure, the playing field is very unbalanced, the Chinese will look after their own, and we will never truly belong here, at least, not in my lifetime. However the people you will meet day to day will often be friendly, accepting and very willing to help you as you adapt.
Here's an example. There was one guy living in china for 3 years. And he was on a bus. Someone stuck his hand in his pocket. The foreigner grabbed his hand, turned around and slapped the chinese guy. Even though the chinese person was the thief. And then the chinese person shouted a bunch of stuff on the bus and all these other chinese people got up, started attacking him, and tossed him out of the bus. Then they all got out, grabbed bricks, beat him unconcious, and he went back home to america in a wheel chair for life. This is only one example. Another example. One foreigner had a fight with a chinese woman. And the woman slapped the foreigner. The foreigner slapped her back. And then she ran to random people and started saying this foreigner slapped her. And then other people ran up to him and started trying to attack him. And then a few cops came and rescued him. With that being said, any chinese female who doesn't like you could falsely accuse you of something and have a whole mob of people after you. That is highly unlikely to happen, and there's no report of that ever happening. But that's the power which most individual everyday chinese people have over you.

Regarding the first story where someone tried to pickpocket a foreigner on the bus..... Again. This is the power the people have over you. A chinese person can defend himself in a situation like that. Because it's their country. But being a foreigner, you have to just hand over whatever they are trying to steal. If you're gonna live in China, these are the conditions you have to live under. It's unfortunate but it's their country. Not yours.

It is true that many people are friendly. And many will go out of their way to help you. But they also have superiority over you as well. Never go to China without knowing that.

The fact they are usually openly friendly makes them appear to not be the type of people who would gang up on you if you end up in a conflict with someone. The guy who is now in a wheelchair, it totally took him by surprise they ganged up on him like that because before then most people were always nice and friendly to him.
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BruceLeeWannaBe wrote:
Here's an example. There was one guy.....


good advice! always plan your life according to anecdotes!


but wait! what are the odds of getting chased down by an angry chinese
mob carrying torches and chopsticks, compared to the dangers of
staying in your hometown with your countryfellows?

what are the odds of getting caught in the crossfire between the bloods
and crips? or crushed in the black friday shopping stampede? or
gunned down in a shopping mall? or beaten senseless by football
hooligans? or randomly selected as a participant in the new "knockout"
game? or........[insert anecdote here]

china seems purty safe in comparison.
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ecubyrd



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@BruceLeeWannabe

I've got a story for you. This one isn't a "there was this one guy" I read or heard about. This one involved me personally.

A couple of years ago a large black Buick was backing towards me and my dog while walking. I assume the guy didn't see us. Anyway I yelled out to get his attention but he didn't stop. So, as his bumper started pushing into me I hit the trunk lid with my fist. The car stopped and a younger man jumped out acting all tough. He grabbed my jacket and was yelling at me. He spoke passable English (found out later he'd lived in Australia) and was telling me that I had to pay for the dent I put in the trunk lid. I disagreed and told him that his father had just hit me with their car. He became infuriated and tried physically intimidating me. By this time, many people had gathered around (some had seen what happened with the car). I refrained from becoming physical. When I tried to leave to go home the guy grabbed me from behind and threw me to the ground. Not only did none of the bystanders jump in to accost me, they actually restrained him. Someone had already called the police.

The police came, and they took us to the station. 2 witnesses came along for questioning as well. The end result was the younger Chinese dude spent all of Chinese New Years in the joint locked up and his father had to pay me 10,000rmb. The police told my wife during the negotiating on penalty/pay that the guy got off lucky...ie that I didn't beat the crap out of him (I'm not small).

So, in conclusion, this is a real life story that is the direct opposite to what you believe to be all Chinese gang up on or are against foreigners. I'd say you have made the best decision for you to stay away if you actually think that is what this country and its people are like.
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Javelin of Radiance



Joined: 01 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BruceLeeWannaBe wrote:
It's overwhelming. I actually contacted my company in China yesterday and told them I'm not comming. So please cancel all the paperwork.

Having read your posts on here lately I'm guessing they were way ahead of you on that one.

ecubyrd wrote:
@BruceLeeWannabe;

So, in conclusion, this is a real life story that is the direct opposite to what you believe to be all Chinese gang up on or are against foreigners. I'd say you have made the best decision for you to stay away if you actually think that is what this country and its people are like.

Great story.
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Alien1982



Joined: 27 Aug 2013
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ecubyrd wrote:
@BruceLeeWannabe

I've got a story for you. This one isn't a "there was this one guy" I read or heard about. This one involved me personally.

A couple of years ago a large black Buick was backing towards me and my dog while walking. I assume the guy didn't see us. Anyway I yelled out to get his attention but he didn't stop. So, as his bumper started pushing into me I hit the trunk lid with my fist. The car stopped and a younger man jumped out acting all tough. He grabbed my jacket and was yelling at me. He spoke passable English (found out later he'd lived in Australia) and was telling me that I had to pay for the dent I put in the trunk lid. I disagreed and told him that his father had just hit me with their car. He became infuriated and tried physically intimidating me. By this time, many people had gathered around (some had seen what happened with the car). I refrained from becoming physical. When I tried to leave to go home the guy grabbed me from behind and threw me to the ground. Not only did none of the bystanders jump in to accost me, they actually restrained him. Someone had already called the police.

The police came, and they took us to the station. 2 witnesses came along for questioning as well. The end result was the younger Chinese dude spent all of Chinese New Years in the joint locked up and his father had to pay me 10,000rmb. The police told my wife during the negotiating on penalty/pay that the guy got off lucky...ie that I didn't beat the crap out of him (I'm not small).

So, in conclusion, this is a real life story that is the direct opposite to what you believe to be all Chinese gang up on or are against foreigners. I'd say you have made the best decision for you to stay away if you actually think that is what this country and its people are like.
Here's another story where the foreigner doesn't get beat up. There was a guy named Guile. He has an American flag tattooed on his shoulder. He fought a girl named Chun Li. And there were people riding their bikes past and a couple people in the background just sorta sitting around. Guile won the fight and not a single chinese person jumped in to attack him. Chun Li had to fend for herself. Later on there was this guy named Ryu. From Japan. He got into a fight with Chun Li too. Amazing. Especially with the daoyu island dispute, nobody jumped in to attack Ryu.
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC

PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alien1982 wrote:
Here's another story where the foreigner doesn't get beat up....


true story!

you can see photos here!

http://wall.alphacoders.com/big.php?i=339531#
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