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drrjon
Joined: 09 Oct 2010 Posts: 35 Location: Chongqing
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Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:09 pm Post subject: Too Long in China... |
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I have been working in China for the past six years and I have always been on a legal working visa. I know many foreigners here longer who have been on various visas other than the proper work/residence permit. I am in Chengdu and when I applied to renew my visa everything was approved. But then I received a message that I was turnned down because I have been in China too long.
For the past five years I recruited teachers and helped them get proper visas and such but this was in a different part of China. I know other teachers who have been on residence permits for over five years who recently were renewed in Chengdu. It seems that following the rules here means nothing. Oh well...I will get things worked out |
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BruceLeeWannaBe
Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 210
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Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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It's true. If you taught in China as a teacher for too long, you can't work there as a teacher anymore. The general rule is after 5 years you have to go.
We just need to face facts. We are outsiders and always will be. They welcome us in for a period of time. But after a while, they expect us to leave. You'll also notice that when locals have a friendly conversation with you, they will ask "when" you are going home. Or "when" will you return to your home country?
The key word is "when". Not "if".
I know many of us in China don't know about that rule, and I can sympathize with you. Just the fact that you likely got comfortable there, and only to find out about this rule at the last moment. It's hard. I know. And it's actually one rule that most of us don't know. The only way you can stay longer is if you marry a local or if you get business and student visas. Bear in mind that since July 1st, authorities are cracking down hardcore on illegal visa holders.
I could be wrong, but since each province has it's own foreign expert bureau, it might only be sichuan province you can no longer teach in. You might just have to go to another province. But that I'm not sure about.
drrjon wrote: |
It seems that following the rules here means nothing. Oh well...I will get things worked out |
before June 1st, China was like that. But it's different now. China is now the country where the law, is the law, is the law. No matter how inconvenient it may be for anyone, foreign or chinese, these laws must be set in stone.
No more loopholes. Nothing. If there's a certain law in place, it's set in stone. I mean, laws now mean so much in China now that it's 100% impossible to get around it.
Before July 1st, if the school you worked for had alot of guanxi. They could get you in. They could bribe cops, and other officials. And before no rule was ever set in stone. But all that's different now. No guanxi will help you anymore. And no bribes can get accepted anymore. This is the new China. The law, is the law, is the law. It's now the country where any official and any cop would literally sacrifice all their personal interests, family, and even at the cost of their own lives. They will sacrifice everything. In the name of THE LAW.
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
IThe general rule is... |
there is no general rule. safea (an advisory body) has
a list of suggestions, one of which is returning to your
hometown after working in china for five years.
just a suggestion that provinces are free to ignore. as far
as i know, only sichuan (may have) added this provision
to their regulations and (sometimes) enforces it. |
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muffintop
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 803
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Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
....I have no idea what I am talking about. Not even a little. I wrote a lot of words but I pulled them all out of my... |
Yup..Well said. |
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BruceLeeWannaBe
Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 210
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Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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muffintop wrote: |
BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
....I have no idea what I am talking about. Not even a little. I wrote a lot of words but I pulled them all out of my... |
Yup..Well said. |
okay. Explain how I'm wrong. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I'm in Jiangsu province and in the midst of my 11th year teaching in China. I have a current, legal residence permit in my passport. I've taught at the same school for nearly 9 years. To date, I've never had a problem getting a new permit. Will that change next summer? Don't know, but don't really care as I plan to move home anyway. However, things may change come new contract time, so we'll see. |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 3154
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Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I am in Chengdu doing my 6th year on an RP that was renewed after the new rules came into effect. |
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muffintop
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 803
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:58 am Post subject: |
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BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
It's true. If you taught in China as a teacher for too long, you can't work there as a teacher anymore. The general rule is after 5 years you have to go. |
As Choudofu already said, there is no 'general rule'. There are more than enough folks on these forums alone who have been here more than 5 years to counter what you said.
BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
We just need to face facts. We are outsiders and always will be. They welcome us in for a period of time. But after a while, they expect us to leave. You'll also notice that when locals have a friendly conversation with you, they will ask "when" you are going home. Or "when" will you return to your home country?
The key word is "when". Not "if".
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You attribute this to immigration policy? That's a giant leap. Perhaps 'they' can't understand why anyone would actually choose to live here on a permanent or long term basis.
BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
But it's different now. China is now the country where the law, is the law, is the law. No matter how inconvenient it may be for anyone, foreign or chinese, these laws must be set in stone.
No more loopholes. Nothing. If there's a certain law in place, it's set in stone. I mean, laws now mean so much in China now that it's 100% impossible to get around it. |
Wow....
BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
No guanxi will help you anymore. And no bribes can get accepted anymore. This is the new China. The law, is the law, is the law. It's now the country where any official and any cop would literally sacrifice all their personal interests, family, and even at the cost of their own lives. They will sacrifice everything. In the name of THE LAW. |
Oh my.... |
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drrjon
Joined: 09 Oct 2010 Posts: 35 Location: Chongqing
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:31 am Post subject: |
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I also know many people here who have recently renewed thier RP and have been here much longer than six years. The poster who wrote about set laws has no idea what he is talking about. For me I have a feeling that somebody from the school wher I worked for 5 years may have said something as they were not happy that I left. |
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Javelin of Radiance

Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1187 Location: The West
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:42 am Post subject: |
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BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
I could be wrong, |
It's ok, we're getting used to this outcome. Please, continue.
BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
blah blah blah. |
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BruceLeeWannaBe
Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 210
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:18 am Post subject: |
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muffintop wrote: |
BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
But it's different now. China is now the country where the law, is the law, is the law. No matter how inconvenient it may be for anyone, foreign or chinese, these laws must be set in stone.
No more loopholes. Nothing. If there's a certain law in place, it's set in stone. I mean, laws now mean so much in China now that it's 100% impossible to get around it. |
Wow....
BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
No guanxi will help you anymore. And no bribes can get accepted anymore. This is the new China. The law, is the law, is the law. It's now the country where any official and any cop would literally sacrifice all their personal interests, family, and even at the cost of their own lives. They will sacrifice everything. In the name of THE LAW. |
Oh my.... |
Yeah. Big shocker, isn't it? People used to say this would never happen. And it did. I can see muffintop is very surprised. Oh my.... Wow.... |
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mike w
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 1071 Location: Beijing building site
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:13 am Post subject: |
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there is no general rule. safea (an advisory body) has
a list of suggestions, one of which is returning to your
hometown after working in china for five years. |
Correct - there is no rule.
However, some schools and provinces will interpret the 'suggestion' as a 'rule' if it suits their purpose. It is probably used where the teacher has done no wrong, the school just want a younger, fresher face maybe. I believe it may also have been used as an excuse to get rid of teachers the school has a problem with.
Incidentally, I'm into my seventeenth legally employed year, my ninth with my current employer. |
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BruceLeeWannaBe
Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 210
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:50 am Post subject: |
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mike w wrote: |
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there is no general rule. safea (an advisory body) has
a list of suggestions, one of which is returning to your
hometown after working in china for five years. |
Correct - there is no rule.
However, some schools and provinces will interpret the 'suggestion' as a 'rule' if it suits their purpose. It is probably used where the teacher has done no wrong, the school just want a younger, fresher face maybe. I believe it may also have been used as an excuse to get rid of teachers the school has a problem with.
Incidentally, I'm into my seventeenth legally employed year, my ninth with my current employer. |
Not from what I see. Before it seemed as if there were no rules. But now there are. And they are strictly enforced too. Take it from me. I have qualifications. And I can't go back. The processing time for every document takes an extremely long time. |
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mw182006

Joined: 10 Dec 2012 Posts: 310
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:18 am Post subject: |
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BruceLeeWannaBe wrote: |
Yeah. Big shocker, isn't it? People used to say this would never happen. And it did. I can see muffintop is very surprised. Oh my.... Wow.... |
Several people in this very thread have proven you wrong already. My colleague is also in his 6th or 7th year at my uni. Why can't you accept that your situation doesn't/won't apply to every person that enters China? |
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mike w
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 1071 Location: Beijing building site
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I'll say it again - there is no rule - never has been, and isn't now.
Your situation from the sounds of it, very unfortunately for you, is that your province has taken it upon itself to interpret the SAFEA guideline/ suggestion as a rule, for whatever reason.
Unfortunately, provincial interpretations are often a mile away from the real rule or guideline. It's the same situation as the over 60 or 65 rule. It simply does not exist. It's a provincial interpretation of a guideline that they have decided to enforce as a rule.
I have had these two items checked and double checked with the PSB Entry & Exit Bureau in Beijing, and also by a Chinese lawyer. |
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