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Do the Japanese love French? Are they like the French?
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coolguy123 wrote:
I guess like anything, Japan has good speciality stuff, but when it comes to coffee in general it's mediocre. Maybe they make it more in a style similar to making tea or something. I'm sure Europeans complain about American coffee.
There are few more depressing sights than a Brit trying to get a decent cuppa in America.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
Coolguy123 wrote:
I guess like anything, Japan has good speciality stuff, but when it comes to coffee in general it's mediocre. Maybe they make it more in a style similar to making tea or something. I'm sure Europeans complain about American coffee.
There are few more depressing sights than a Brit trying to get a decent cuppa in America.


Do you mean coffee or tea? Both have gotten much much better since the late 90s.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
Pitarou wrote:
Coolguy123 wrote:
I guess like anything, Japan has good speciality stuff, but when it comes to coffee in general it's mediocre. Maybe they make it more in a style similar to making tea or something. I'm sure Europeans complain about American coffee.
There are few more depressing sights than a Brit trying to get a decent cuppa in America.

Do you mean coffee or tea? Both have gotten much much better since the late 90s.

Tea.

In British English, cuppa means cup of tea.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
Do you mean coffee or tea? Both have gotten much much better since the late 90s.


…since the late 1890s…

Ha!

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, couldn't keep it straight.

But yes, coffee and tea in the US are pretty good now. I remember when i worked at Safeway in the late 90's and the coffee was all Folgers(pre ground meh coffee) or that crap Lipton for tea. Now, there are proper tea and coffee sections in most stores.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lipton is actually a Scottish/English brand Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife is one of those who loves the romantic French image, particularly French fashion and the cafe atmosphere. I gain some leeway in the ordinarily unforgiving gift culture if I present the gift in a nice bag with a French motif.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
My wife is one of those who loves the romantic French image, particularly French fashion and the cafe atmosphere. I gain some leeway in the ordinarily unforgiving gift culture if I present the gift in a nice bag with a French motif.


I've scored a lot of goodwill with the in-laws by buying a bag of different breads from the Gontran Cherrier in Shinjuku and bringing it home once a week or so. If you're in Tokyo, awesome stuff.
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coolguy123 wrote:
Lipton is actually a Scottish/English brand Laughing


I know. Which is why it is ironic that English complain about American tea. When they were the ones who saddled the Americans with awful tea.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmatt wrote:
Vince wrote:
My wife is one of those who loves the romantic French image, particularly French fashion and the cafe atmosphere. I gain some leeway in the ordinarily unforgiving gift culture if I present the gift in a nice bag with a French motif.


I've scored a lot of goodwill with the in-laws by buying a bag of different breads from the Gontran Cherrier in Shinjuku and bringing it home once a week or so. If you're in Tokyo, awesome stuff.


Trader Joe bags are in now. They are only $5 or. I buy a whole bunch and take them with me. Beats paying silly amounts of money for a label.

I think the Japanese obsession with brands has passed into absurdity. Just no reason to pay such premiums for slightly better quality /rant
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
I think the Japanese obsession with brands has passed into absurdity. Just no reason to pay such premiums for slightly better quality /rant
That's the point!
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Coolguy123



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Japanese are definitely obsessed with quality. To the point where I can't really tell the difference.

However upon leaving I end up kind of missing the quality of stuff in Japan. In the US we also end up paying a lot for quality (especially in terms of food). You kind of have to admire how they constantly want the best at all times (and are willing to put a lot of effort and time to make products that are extremely high quality).

However in terms of value, Korean stuff is probably better for the most part (although they sometimes exploit and underpay their workers).
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1983rm



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might have missed it, but you can't have a thread about Japan and France without mentioning Paris syndrome

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/6197921.stm
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1983rm wrote:
I might have missed it, but you can't have a thread about Japan and France without mentioning Paris syndrome

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/6197921.stm


Wonder if that has more to do with the Japanese than the French.
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Black_Beer_Man



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One way that the Japanese are not like the French - in fact the polar opposite is with perfume wearing.

While the French apply it generously, I get nasty comments from Japanese people if I apply two squirts of eau de toilette. I don't find two shots to be excessive, but if I stand near a Japanese person, he or she acts like he's /she's choking on poisonous gas. Rolling Eyes

So, I have had to just do with one squirt - which they can seem to tolerate so long as it is not a strong scent.
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