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What is your preference: Public schools or private schools?
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Which type of school do you prefer?
Private school (like EF)
26%
 26%  [ 6 ]
Public school (like 2ndary school)
73%
 73%  [ 17 ]
Total Votes : 23

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kev7161



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Posts: 5880
Location: Suzhou, China

PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't vote in the poll as I've only worked private schools. The first one I hated. It was poorly organized, in a horrible location far outside of Hangzhou and I lived in a 6th floor apartment with no elevator. The apartments were new when I moved in, but with obvious shoddy construction values. I was always afraid my balcony was going to break off the building and I was going to plummet to my death. Teaching there was horrible with only a handful of students that seemed to want to learn. I was told a lot of the students were miscreants and cast offs from other schools.

My current job is . . . fine. Lots of good benefits and I'm always paid on time (and, after 8 years fairly well-paid) and the workload is not god-awful. However, as someone else posted above, it is a business first, school second. Lots and lots of spoiled rich kids roam the halls. No discipline to speak of (don't want to piss off the rich parents you know) and (at least in my classes) several students who fail in both English courses and Chinese, but get passed on to the next grade level every year regardless. I've gotten to the point of not caring as much as I used to. If the school and the students don't care one way or the other, why should I? Don't get me wrong, I still put together good, solid lessons and check their homework and all the other "stuff" teachers should be doing. But after I've gotten my nth "F" paper from the same students week after week, I simply don't get as frustrated as I used to (and for all you naysayers out there - - I get just as many A+ papers and tests as well - - so something is working).

There are several hard-working teachers in our department, but every year we always seem to get a handful of teachers who call in sick all the time or leave immediately after their last class or are barely teaching the kids. Maybe they are frustrated too, but these are first year teachers at this school who just started, like, 3-4 months earlier. We get these kinds of teachers every year but the school won't replace them because it's a lot of work to hire new teachers, especially mid-year - - or something. Sure, they won't renew their contracts (but sometimes they do!), but it's a wasted year for the students . . . the ones who care, that is.

So, to sum it all up. I like my private school job, I really do. The good outweighs the bad by far. But I'm not going to be sad when the time comes to say good-bye to it!
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krichlin



Joined: 14 Dec 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm about to take my first job, and it's almost certain to be a Private school. I just see so many benefits - small class sizes, TA's in classes with younger kids. I like the hours better, working afternoons evenings and weekends suits me just fine. They're offering better pay, on average, and it looks like they pay more attention to things like accommodations. And the state of the art classrooms and equipment isn't bad either. That rigid lesson plan structure you describe sounds like great teacher support for someone like myself, who is on their first teaching position. There's a risk that I might be in a stifling environment, but weighing that with all the other risks that are common topics here, I think it's a reasonable one.

I think that there is a huge quality control problem with many of the private schools out there. That particular risk can be mitigated by staying with a big, well-known, reputable group. I've been told good things about the big chains - WEB, EF, Wall Street, Shane, Meten are all on my list.
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D-M



Joined: 30 Nov 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ Agree.



Private schools with support and some type of quality control is certainly the way to go I think, especially for newer teachers.


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thechangling



Joined: 11 Apr 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

krichlin wrote:
I'm about to take my first job, and it's almost certain to be a Private school. I just see so many benefits - small class sizes, TA's in classes with younger kids. I like the hours better, working afternoons evenings and weekends suits me just fine. They're offering better pay, on average, and it looks like they pay more attention to things like accommodations. And the state of the art classrooms and equipment isn't bad either. That rigid lesson plan structure you describe sounds like great teacher support for someone like myself, who is on their first teaching position. There's a risk that I might be in a stifling environment, but weighing that with all the other risks that are common topics here, I think it's a reasonable one.

I think that there is a huge quality control problem with many of the private schools out there. That particular risk can be mitigated by staying with a big, well-known, reputable group. I've been told good things about the big chains - WEB, EF, Wall Street, Shane, Meten are all on my list.


I honestly thought he/she was being sarcastic. I still hope that's the case.
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twilothunder



Joined: 09 Dec 2011
Posts: 442

PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since when was EF a 'private school'? It's a language mill.

If the choice is between public schools and private schools I would say private schools anyday.

If the choice is between public schools and language mills, I would say public schools.
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Non Sequitur



Joined: 23 May 2010
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WLamar wrote:
A great number of folks here (I'd venture half) work in other places, including a university setting. What's your logic in limiting the poll to these two choices only?


What does it take to get things wrong - again?'
'School' covers any kind of teaching establishment.
'Public' is used throughout Dave's to indicate state run. It covers primary, secondary and tertiary sectors.
'Private' indicates 'for profit' or (unlikely in China) a charity-endowed establishment.
We have also seen that too many choices dilutes the statistical significance of any poll, due to the low number of votes.
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revilo



Joined: 05 Oct 2013
Posts: 181
Location: Mos Eisley

PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:10 am    Post subject: Sounds like a Stepford teacher... Reply with quote

krichlin wrote:
I'm about to take my first job, and it's almost certain to be a Private school. I just see so many benefits - small class sizes, TA's in classes with younger kids. I like the hours better, working afternoons evenings and weekends suits me just fine. They're offering better pay, on average, and it looks like they pay more attention to things like accommodations. And the state of the art classrooms and equipment isn't bad either. That rigid lesson plan structure you describe sounds like great teacher support for someone like myself, who is on their first teaching position. There's a risk that I might be in a stifling environment, but weighing that with all the other risks that are common topics here, I think it's a reasonable one.
I think that there is a huge quality control problem with many of the private schools out there. That particular risk can be mitigated by staying with a big, well-known, reputable group. I've been told good things about the big chains - WEB, EF, Wall Street, Shane, Meten are all on my list.


Yikes, what kind of person would write this? Granted, there is a difference between a private school and a language mill, but how do we define it?
The private school still has to meet accreditation requirements from an OUTSIDE institution (none of which come to mind). The language mill (EF, Wall St.) only have to meet their in-house guidelines. I worked at EF and I could not meet their comm. teaching requirements. I did notice that their more successful teachers talked much like the above poster. Of course they offer better accommodations, they are in business and you can't attract customers by teaching lessons in a dive! I still try to offer my students opportunities to speak and it's painful to hear the silence....but I don't try to fill in the silence with my own speaking...(as much as I used to). EF slammed me for daring to speak! That kind of restriction on teaching soured me on language mills. If the opportunity arose for a private school, I would take it, but I would need to be assured of an adequate match between my skills and those of private school teachers. Idea
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D-M



Joined: 30 Nov 2013
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: Sounds like a Stepford teacher... Reply with quote

revilo wrote:
Yikes, what kind of person would write this? (Krichlin's post)Granted, there is a difference between a private school and a language mill, but how do we define it?


Krichlin sounds similar to me ... and to a few other people I know on the board. I personally looked at this poll as being within the public school system or outside it in a training centre. No need to think too much IMO.

I read so many posts, and occasionally discuss teaching matters via PM and email and I would find it very hard to ever recommend working in the public school sector in China to most newbies, or even experienced teachers. For me, that sector is the real dancing monkey work ... something that is supported by frequent posts from people describing the nature of their work and skill sets required in universities etc.
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