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canrun30
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Beyond1984
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I got word a few days ago:)
Pobably the NYU personnel officers don't know that top-tier universities pay notoriously low salaries because of the "prestige" attached to working there.
I no longer bother going through the application process if I'm not told up front what my approximate salary/benefits would be if hired.
If everyone did this, no one would have to wonder what "competitive" means:)
Dear Mr.,
NYU Shanghai compensation and benefits packages are highly competitive with other top-tier universities. However, details of this package will only be discussed when applicants have moved into the later stages of the recruitment process. Respectfully,
NYU Shanghai Faculty Recruitment
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canrun30
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Right. A LOT of headache to apply for those kinds of positions, only to get a non-answer like that. At least somewhere like XJTU is upfront about their salary range.
If anyone gets a specific figure, I'm sure some of us here would be interested in knowing more. |
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Shroob
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It does seem like a headache just to apply for the job.
'A one-page sample course description, outlining a thematic focus you would like to teach and the integration of language skills into that focus. Also include references for 5 texts (essays, readings, films, other audio-visual materials) you would incorporate into the syllabus. For guidance about courses that might fit well with NYU Shanghai’s curriculum, please review NYU Shanghai’s core curriculum and majors'
I'd have thought a university like that would have a designed syllabus to follow already. It seems that the teacher will be left to 'wing-it' with their students. |
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D-M
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| Shroob wrote: |
It does seem like a headache just to apply for the job.
'A one-page sample course description, outlining a thematic focus you would like to teach and the integration of language skills into that focus. Also include references for 5 texts (essays, readings, films, other audio-visual materials) you would incorporate into the syllabus. For guidance about courses that might fit well with NYU Shanghai’s curriculum, please review NYU Shanghai’s core curriculum and majors'
I'd have thought a university like that would have a designed syllabus to follow already. It seems that the teacher will be left to 'wing-it' with their students. |
Not sure that would be entirely true Shroob ... assuming this type of job is a decent, professional, cream of the crop EFL position, then a cream of the crop candidate could probably / possibly answer that pre-interview task quite easily. Not sure it suggests teachers would be left to wing-it ... but it does suggest that teachers are expected to have a fully rounded skill set and be able to design and understand a syllabus etc.
I remember looking at a UK EFL job a few years ago and balking at the pre-interview task asking how I would teach any aspect of present perfect using adverbial time markers. That task now would be laughably easy ... and I guess for the experienced and qualified bod, this uni application task would be equally easy. |
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Shroob
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| Shroob wrote: |
It does seem like a headache just to apply for the job.
'A one-page sample course description, outlining a thematic focus you would like to teach and the integration of language skills into that focus. Also include references for 5 texts (essays, readings, films, other audio-visual materials) you would incorporate into the syllabus. For guidance about courses that might fit well with NYU Shanghai’s curriculum, please review NYU Shanghai’s core curriculum and majors'
I'd have thought a university like that would have a designed syllabus to follow already. It seems that the teacher will be left to 'wing-it' with their students. |
Not sure that would be entirely true Shroob ... assuming this type of job is a decent, professional, cream of the crop EFL position, then a cream of the crop candidate could probably / possibly answer that pre-interview task quite easily. Not sure it suggests teachers would be left to wing-it ... but it does suggest that teachers are expected to have a fully rounded skill set and be able to design and understand a syllabus etc.
I remember looking at a UK EFL job a few years ago and balking at the pre-interview task asking how I would teach any aspect of present perfect using adverbial time markers. That task now would be laughably easy ... and I guess for the experienced and qualified bod, this uni application task would be equally easy. |
I understand that the right candidate should be able to complete the task, but curriculum design is normally something covered by the whole teaching department, to have each teacher potentially work to a different curriculum would be a nightmare. |
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canrun30
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| I would guess that D-M is probably in the ballpark, but I may well be wrong. Still interested to know the salary if anyone ever comes across a figure. |
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JoeKing
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| Beyond1984 wrote: |
If everyone did this, no one would have to wonder what "competitive" means:)
Dear Mr.,
NYU Shanghai compensation and benefits packages are highly competitive with other top-tier universities. However, details of this package will only be discussed when applicants have moved into the later stages of the recruitment process. Respectfully,
NYU Shanghai Faculty Recruitment
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Yeah, I learned a long, long time ago, that competitive just means they are paying what everyone else does. This is universal, I think. |
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naturegirl321
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| Theyre still looking. My guess is that few people want to jump through the hoops without knowing what theyre getting paid. They also need writing teachers and yiu have to send them a ten page writing sample of your own work. |
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canrun30
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jmac12
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Has anyone here been through the recruitment process with NYUSH? If so, any idea how long it takes?
I submitted an application for the writing program 3 weeks ago---no reply as yet. Starting to think they're not interested but perhaps applications spend a long time getting bounced around NYU's 'Global Network'... |
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nfig77
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Yeah, "competitive" means decent, but not great - enough to get a few people to work for them. "Highly competitive" means "attractive" I would say. But often this translates to more work as well, especially based off the application process. What would be "attractive" for Shanghai? For me, as it is expensive there, I would say 20-25k rmb/mo + a free modern furnished 1-2 bed flat not too far from the office + 8 weeks paid vacation and airfare. The problem is, of course, NYU isn't showing their cards. I guess if you fancy the NYU brand and long for Shanghai, it's worth rolling the dice. Also remember the salary will be tax free for certain countries initially if you're new to China. But Americans would still have to pay the SS tax since it's an American company.
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3701 W.119th
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| What would be "attractive" for Shanghai? For me, as it is expensive there, I would say 20-25k rmb/mo + a free modern furnished 1-2 bed flat not too far from the office + 8 weeks paid vacation and airfare. |
Good luck. |
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nfig77
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| My point exactly. If they were paying this, they wouldn't be giving applicants the runaround. So probably best to give it a pass. Shanghai is great and all, but anything but cheap. |
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spanglish
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| nfig77 wrote: |
| Yeah, "competitive" means decent, but not great - enough to get a few people to work for them. "Highly competitive" means "attractive" I would say. But often this translates to more work as well, especially based off the application process. What would be "attractive" for Shanghai? For me, as it is expensive there, I would say 20-25k rmb/mo + a free modern furnished 1-2 bed flat not too far from the office + 8 weeks paid vacation and airfare. The problem is, of course, NYU isn't showing their cards. I guess if you fancy the NYU brand and long for Shanghai, it's worth rolling the dice. Also remember the salary will be tax free for certain countries initially if you're new to China. But Americans would still have to pay the SS tax since it's an American company. |
That sounds a little lower than what I would expect and even more so for those with a PhD. |
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