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simon44
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 Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:09 am Post subject: How to get QTS without teaching/visiting in the UK |
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- Study for the on-line DTLLS qualification. This is offered by several providers, such as Bright Assessing
http://www.brightassessing.com/courses/dtlls/
- After you have your DTLLS qualification, apply to the IfL for QTLS registration
http://www.ifl.ac.uk/cpd/qtls-atls
-QTLS holders are now considered under UK law to have equal status as QTS holders, and are allowed to teach in primary and secondary schools, (although you may still need to convince the school of this at your job interview) |
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Big Worm
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Wut?
Not sure what any of that is. Never heard of it. Looks scammy. |
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simon44
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| Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Do a little more research. This is a respected qualification offered by several course providers. This route to obtaining QTLS (QTS) is perfectly legal. But as I have mentioned, a potential employer may be looking for QTS AND UK teaching experience.
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kpjf
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MsRT
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Great news!
Thanks very much for the info, I was really considering how to achieve QTS/QTLS outside the UK....I even thought of PGCE overseas?? Anyone know of it/gained that qualification? It won't make you qualified in the UK, but recognised internationally...
About this route to QTLS, has anyone got any experience in this? Do you have to be in full/part time work placement to complete it?
Thank you again! |
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simon44
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MsRT - The on-line PGCE courses from Nottingham and Sunderland university will not grant you QTS - you still would need to return to the UK and teach in a primary/secondary school for a period of time before you could apply for QTS.
My solution takes advantage of a change in UK policy from September 2013, whereby teachers who are teaching in the vocational or adult sector are able to apply for QTLS status from the Institute for Learning (IfL). Approval of QTLS is based upon your portfolio of teaching experience and observed teaching of any age group and not necessarily in a UK school or college
Teachers with QTLS are considered equal under UK law to teachers with QTS, and am allowed to teach as equals in primary and secondary schools. Of course, as I have mentioned, although you will be a qualified teacher under UK law, an international school could still reject your job application because you have no UK teaching experience.
How can you obtain your QTLS without ever teaching in the UK? The solution is that you must be teaching in a school or college, (so that you can document 100 hours of teaching experience). You also need to document 8 hours of observed teaching, which has to be observed by another teacher who has either a teaching licence (from any country), or has an M.Ed.
You need to register and study for the BTEC Level 5 Diploma in Education and Training (DIET). This is the new name for the DTLSS course, and it is provided by several on-line companies.
The DIET requires online study of various education modules, plus your portfolio and observed teaching. This course costs about 1,000 GBP, but you can pay in 6 monthly installments. Your rate of study progress is flexible.
Once you are awarded the DIET, then you apply to the IfL for QTLS status. This costs about 400 GBP. To obtain QTLS, you must show knowledge of the UK National Curriculum (whether it be for primary, secondary, vocational etc). So you should really be teaching in a school which follows the UK curriculum.
So ..... will this all work? I have been in contact with both the IfL, DIET course provider and the UK Department of Education, and they have all confirmed that this is a viable and legal route for an unlicenced teacher to obtain QTLS without ever teaching in the UK.
You do not have to be a UK citizen to follow this path of study and teacher licencing status.....
Although I was offered a place on the Nottingham PGCEi (Bangkok cohort), I have not started that course because it cannot lead to QTS. Next month, I will start the DIET course and expect to complete this in about 6 months, with the possibility to obtain QTLS from the IfL by the end of this year.
I hope that helps!
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MsRT
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Thank you very much Simon! That's great help!
I hope you don't mind me asking more questions pertaining to this, when I get to the stage of applying...however I started MA in linguistics course, so perhaps when I complete?? But, this option is definety something I wish to do..
Seeing as you can work in any level, would working in a university (teaching ESL) be ok??
Thank you again!!! |
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simon44
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Seeing as you can work in any level, would working in a university (teaching ESL) be ok??
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That is fine for the requirements of the DIET. But for admission to the IfL (and award of QTLS), you need to show knowledge of the UK curriculum. (To what depth I'm not sure - I teach the UK NC so it is not an issue for me)
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scot47
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UK Curriculum ? There is no curriculum common to the countries which currently form the United Kingdom. As is common, the poster assumes that English = British = UK.
If I were testing him, he would fail ! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Maybe he is just anticipating Scotland's departure from the hallowed union? |
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Sashadroogie
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...and hoping the rest will follow  |
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simon44
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There is no curriculum common to the countries which currently form the United Kingdom.
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If I were testing you, then you would fail  |
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kpjf
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| MsRT wrote: |
Thank you very much Simon! That's great help!
I hope you don't mind me asking more questions pertaining to this, when I get to the stage of applying...however I started MA in linguistics course, so perhaps when I complete?? But, this option is definety something I wish to do..
Seeing as you can work in any level, would working in a university (teaching ESL) be ok??
Thank you again!!! |
I'm not sure if you're aware of this but there are bursaries available in England (open to anyone) to do a PGCE in subjects where they have a lack of teachers, such as mathematics, foreign languages etc and depending on your degree score you could be entitled to a £20,000 bursary (2:1 - £15,000; 1st - £20,000). In essence that would pay for the PGCE itself (£9,000) and leave you money over to cover expenses (with the £15,000 maybe it's scraping it a bit though). However, of course I understand certain people may not be able to simply come to the UK to do a PGCE. |
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Shroob
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| MsRT wrote: |
Thank you very much Simon! That's great help!
I hope you don't mind me asking more questions pertaining to this, when I get to the stage of applying...however I started MA in linguistics course, so perhaps when I complete?? But, this option is definety something I wish to do..
Seeing as you can work in any level, would working in a university (teaching ESL) be ok??
Thank you again!!! |
I'm not sure if you're aware of this but there are bursaries available in England (open to anyone) to do a PGCE in subjects where they have a lack of teachers, such as mathematics, foreign languages etc and depending on your degree score you could be entitled to a £20,000 bursary (2:1 - £15,000; 1st - £20,000). In essence that would pay for the PGCE itself (£9,000) and leave you money over to cover expenses (with the £15,000 maybe it's scraping it a bit though). However, of course I understand certain people may not be able to simply come to the UK to do a PGCE. |
I'm not sure if this applies to PGCEs, but a stumbling block I almost fell foul of was the 'home vs. international' student status. Generally, anyone not living in the UK is subject to international fees (a lot more than home) so the £15,000 / £20,000 may not be that good. As always, there are exceptions (thankfully), but it's worth checking for anyone thinking of this!
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kpjf
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| Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Shroob wrote: |
I'm not sure if this applies to PGCEs, but a stumbling block I almost fell fowl of was the 'home vs. international' student status. Generally, anyone not living in the UK is subject to international fees (a lot more than home) so the £15,000 / £20,000 may not be that good. As always, there are exceptions (thankfully), but it's worth checking for anyone thinking of this! |
Oh, sorry! But at least it's a start. I have just checked Manchester University and the international fee for a PGCE is £14,000, but it seems that the £9,000 stands for not only UK but EU citizens as well. |
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