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[infinitethoughts]

I just finished a 6 month contract with a recruiter teaching at a chinese high school in Hunan. They supplied me with a 1 year Z visa and Resident permit for Hunan.. The school and recruiter want me to go back, but I have business plans in Guangxi. Once the Z visa runs out in July, I'll get a business Visa.

So I'm in Guangxi now taking a vacation until July. When I got here I registered with PSB.

As part of pressuring me to go back the recruiter they told me that under the new Entry-Exit law "your current residence permit should be cancelled in 15 days and then change to a 30 days visitor visa after you leave/contract cancellation with the school you are working".

1. Does the Z visa actually get cancelled out if they do the paper work to cancel the resident permit ?

2. How high are the chances that they will actually do the paper work to cancel the resident permit ?

Anybody have ideas ?

[teenoso]

The Z visa normally has a 30 day limit (within which you get the RP), so check its expiry. It should not run until July .
Who knows whether they will bother cancelling the RP , but why take the chance, and possibly face a fine for overstay when you finally exit China ? It could also affect your subsequent visa applications .

[johntpartee]

To the right of the "Z" on the visa you will see "Entries". Does it say "01"? Is there a (handwritten) check mark? If so, it is cancelled.

[chinatimes]

[Kysorb]

[GreatApe]

Please, allow me to play devil's advocate:

The Truth is you are seriously HOPING! ... that you will be okay until your (quote): "Z visa runs out in July," during which time you should actually hope (some more) that your RP isn't cancelled by your former school (they can do so online), you're not caught, deported or fined, and that you can get a new business (F) visa and extend your stay in Guangxi. Funny that you say you just recently "finished" a 6 month contract in Hunan, and yet the recruiter (and the school) apparently disagree.

I'm sorry, but, IMO, the OP seems highly disingenous and extremely insincere. Please, forgive me, if I am wrong.

You seem to want to break "the Rules" as much as possible (under entirely SUSPECT and completely obscure motives) and you seem to seek some assurance here that THAT idea is a good one! You want confirmation or validation that violating what you term the "New Entry-Exit Laws" is okay, and you obviously hope (and are presently attempting) to get away with it. Are you SURE you "finished" your contract in Hunan!? Seems odd that a school would vouche for your Z visa and RP and only ask you to work a 6 month contract. Was it assumed (or vocalized/agreed to) that you would return?

I don't know exactly if the "New Laws" will be enforced at all; or when, or where, or in which provinces (Special Economic Zones or Regions) they might (or might NOT) be enforced. I only know what you stated in your OP ... namely, that the recruiter and the school that brought you to Hunan and got you your job and year-long RP for the PRC in the first place are seriously thinking about cancelling your 'shit!' Personally, I think you're intentionally withholding a lot of information.

I would ask: What are your business plans in Guangxi? And, if they are honest and sincere then, why --exactly-- can't these "business plans" produce a legitimate visa for you? Or, CAN THEY? In other words, it sounds like you're attempting to live (and work, or "plan") off of your Hunan teaching RP. You say you're in Guangxi province now, so, ... what's the exact course you "plan" to take in order to obtain legal work and residence status in Guangxi?

I mean, honestly ... assume the WORST and be safe! You titled the thread and mention "the New Entry-Exit laws" so, assume you have (or will soon NOT have) a RP/visa within 45 days of your arriving in Guangxi and registering at the PSB. You've decided not to go back to Hunan to teach for the recruiter and school/company that brought you here and got you your original Chinese RP ... so, time to start pressuring the Chinese people with whom you're directing your "business plans" in Guangxi to GET BUSY! ... time to focus and ensure that you and your "business plans" (and partners) make damn sure that you can stay in-country, work, and mutually achieve your "plans."

Otherwise, roll the dice and continue to stress-out about the "New Laws" and whether or not you will be apprehended, arrested, fined, or rudely "shown the door" when your vacation time, backpacking, mountain-climbing, bicycle-riding, girl-chasing, non-business "plans" run out (along with your once-legitimate --now possibly cancelled!-- Hunan RP).

Seriously, man! ... why shouldn't experienced members of this forum just ask you straight-forward: "WHAT'S HER NAME!?"

If you're really a legitimate businessman, then work out the visa in Guangxi which fits your business plans. If, on the other hand, you're trying to transition from the life of a FT in Hunan with a legitimate RP, to the life of a "business planner" and "would-be businessman" with no clear-cut plans or goals and you're just trying to ease your conscience while you anxiously try to run-out-the-clock on a Hunan teaching RP and eventually set-up a fresh, short-term Chinese business visa to buy yourself even more time and (C.Y.A.), well then, ... you get what you deserve.

If you're just trying to "milk the system" for all it's worth and live off of the original RP (and have a nice vacation in the meantime) ... well, then ... "Welcome to the New Laws?" Perhaps you get away with it, and perhaps you do not.

IMO, you should learn to adhere to the "Laws of the Land" in which you live, "plan," and work, or else simply quit being so shady. Either one will allow you to sleep better at night.

Good Luck!

--GA