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doogsville

Joined: 17 Nov 2011
Posts: 924
Location: China

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:29 am Post subject:

To get back to the original topic, Blueblood asked

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Can a few of the old hands here please chime in on this? As well as FT's currently working at Chinese unis? Where are the highest-paid uni jobs?

Note, he asked about uni jobs, not private schools, International schools nor teaching privates or any other kind of job.

At the risk of sounding flippant, I would guess they are here, there and everywhere. It's kind of a 'how long is a piece of string' question. There are 5 universities in my city, and they all seem to pay different rates. I know at least one university here pays different rates for Bachelors, Masters and PHD's, though from talking to their teachers they seem to do the same job. My salary is higher than the 5000 average figure that is often mentioned here, and I've read about people earning higher and lower for similar workloads. I would also hazard a guess that people whose schools are paying more than average are not likely to advertise the fact on Dave's, or at least would mention any vacancies to their friends first.

The fact that the 'average' university gig pays less than some language mill jobs or specialised jobs is well known. It seems reasonable to assume therefore that most people who take those jobs know what they are doing. The big advantage of uni jobs for a lot of posters here is the low hours. Many people take the opportunity to teach elsewhere and supplement the uni income, others take the opportunity to pursue hobbies, watch videos or do nothing at all. What's wrong with that? We are all free to choose how we spend out time are we not?

I personally only teach for 12 hours a week. Frankly, calling it a 'pretend job' or accusing me of living in 'la la land' is childish, insulting and unnecessary. I get paid enough, and when I want more money I take on more work. Why are so many people getting steamed up about how much money other people are making anyway? What business is it of yours? People make what they make, end of story.

ecubyrd

Joined: 09 May 2009
Posts: 172

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:47 am Post subject:

doogsville wrote:

I personally only teach for 12 hours a week. Frankly, calling it a 'pretend job' or accusing me of living in 'la la land' is childish, insulting and unnecessary. I get paid enough, and when I want more money I take on more work. Why are so many people getting steamed up about how much money other people are making anyway? What business is it of yours? People make what they make, end of story.

Are posters 'getting steamed up' about that in this thread?

MI2B4U

Joined: 12 Feb 2014
Posts: 8

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:59 am Post subject:

Fodan University In Shanghai probably pays the best. 9,000 + furnished apartment and meals.

doogsville

Joined: 17 Nov 2011
Posts: 924
Location: China

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:00 am Post subject:

ecubyrd wrote:

doogsville wrote:

Are posters 'getting steamed up' about that in this thread?

Yes, have you read the thread?

ecubyrd

Joined: 09 May 2009
Posts: 172

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:15 am Post subject:

doogsville wrote:

ecubyrd wrote:

doogsville wrote:

Are posters 'getting steamed up' about that in this thread?

Yes, have you read the thread?

Yep, I did, and just went back and re-read it to make sure I didn't miss something. What are you going on about?

fat_chris

Joined: 10 Sep 2003
Posts: 3198
Location: Beijing

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:14 pm Post subject:

ecubyrd wrote:

Hell, I'm coming to the end of my 6 week winter break and I can't wait to get back to work, in all honesty.

Seconded. Me too.

Cool

Warm regards,
fat_chris

MisterButtkins

Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Posts: 1221

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:32 am Post subject:

ecubyrd wrote:

Yep, I did, and just went back and re-read it to make sure I didn't miss something. What are you going on about?

There's definitely some steamed-up people in the thread.

MisterButtkins

Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Posts: 1221

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:34 am Post subject:

Joint venture universities seem to pay the most. Better universities don't necessarily pay more. Qinghua University is one of the top in China, but they have an advertisement on this very site that only offers 6k/month. And they want a Master's Degree minimum. And of course, since it's a real school, you're going to end up doing a lot more work than you would at some crappy degree mill. Nothing good about that job, IMO.

wuliuchiba

Joined: 07 Jul 2013
Posts: 61

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:11 am Post subject:

MI2B4U wrote:

Fodan University In Shanghai probably pays the best. 9,000 + furnished apartment and meals.

Shanghai University had a job advertised last semester for 10K + apt., 16-18 hours, Feb. start. It was Nov. and they seemed a bit desperate, as they offered me the job a couple of days after I applied and insisted that I give them a definite reply the very next day. I didn't bite - too rushed for my liking. Anyway, 10K is a liveable salary in Shanghai but there are lots of better paying jobs in that city, and it can be an expensive city if you let it. Factor in cost of living relative to location - big difference between Tier 1 cities and the boonies.

Bud Powell

Joined: 11 Jul 2013
Posts: 1736

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:36 am Post subject:

"...they offered me the job a couple of days after I applied and insisted that I give them a definite reply the very next day. I didn't bite - too rushed for my liking..." This isn't necessarily a bad sign. The school wants to get things nailed down quickly. It could be a sign of efficiency, and it may mean that they see something in your CV that they haven't seen in other applicants' CVs. I have to admit, though, it's a little early for the school to expect you to commit so soon.

LPKSA

Joined: 02 Mar 2014
Posts: 211

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:23 am Post subject:

wuliuchiba wrote:

MI2B4U wrote:

Fodan University In Shanghai probably pays the best. 9,000 + furnished apartment and meals.

It's a good thing you didn't bite. Shanghai U. offered me a job in July of 2010. I signed the contract and flew out there. They put me in a hotel near the center of Shanghai but the work location was at their satellite campus in Baoshan. When I finally went there to meet the staff and the department head, they told me that they had overhired and that they wouldn't be needing me. They could have easily emailed me about this. Instead they waited until I arrived to tell me this. I went back to the hotel and rested, only to be awakened by a phone call from the front desk, ordering me to leave the hotel immediately. I checked out, and they accused me of stealing towels from the bathroom.

I was homeless in Shanghai, hot, humid, grimy summertime, in the rain, with nowhere to go. Checked into another hotel and high tailed it out of there.

Three months later I received a phone call from SISU and they invited me out. SISU is a great place to work. Great hours, great students, great location.

Shanghai University is BS. I know this not only from my experience with them, but my students at SISU who worked for them also relayed this to me. They are now living in the US and Australia, they cringe at the thought of returning to them, and I receive email from them all the time telling me about the pathetic lack of organization or concern for people they have.

Do not work there. I am imploring anyone to heed this advice.

Look at SISU, Fudan, Shanghai Jiaotong, etc. Shanghai University is garbage. Sorry for my rant.

fat_chris

Joined: 10 Sep 2003
Posts: 3198
Location: Beijing

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:55 am Post subject:

LPKSA wrote:

Shanghai University is BS.

Do not work there. I am imploring anyone to heed this advice.

Look at SISU, Fudan, Shanghai Jiaotong, etc. Shanghai University is garbage. Sorry for my rant.

Duly noted. Even the name "Shanghai University" sounds bogus.

Don't get Shanghai'ed in Shanghai!

Warm regards,
fat_chris

BlueBlood

Joined: 31 Aug 2013
Posts: 261

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:01 am Post subject:

Simon in Suzhou wrote:

BlueBlood wrote:

Simon in Suzhou wrote:

In my experience of searching for university jobs, the best salaries are in Guangdong Province- Guangzhou, Shenzhen, etc. A Chinese friend of mine told me that it is really hard for her to place people in these jobs because the competition is so high. So keep that in mind.

I second what Non Sequitur says about getting a job with low hours and more time for private classes or a part-time job if you want to bump up your salary.

I'm not someone to make grammar comments at all, it is just a message board after all...but the title of this post really made me cringe. We all make mistakes, but you might get some more personal help in finding a good job from the regulars here if you proofread a little more carefully before clicking "submit." Not trying to be snarky, just helpful.

Dear God, Simon, I made a TYPO! Thank God and you for catching that and now, just maybe, I can receive some good input from members of this board. In the meantime, let's all hope and pray Dave's entire site doesn't come crashing down. Heaven help us!

Good God, man, you practically saved my life!

What I meant by saying that is that when someone is sincere and seems like a good teacher looking for a job, regulars will often send them a private message giving them the inside track on a REAL job opening at their university. When someone makes a bad grammar error (city's and cities is not a misspelled typo), they are far less likely to get an invite to work as a colleague teaching English.

What you mean is you're pedantic and your input in my thread was wholly unnecessary. Thanks for clearing up what is, and what is not, a typo for me. Brilliant. No, you're not a pedant at all. Of course not.

Tip: Ignore all my future threads henceforth. Thanks and good luck, Simon Says "Cities and City's are the same word!" Thank God China has you and you're amazing insights into the English language.

BlueBlood

Joined: 31 Aug 2013
Posts: 261

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Cities with the Highest Paying University ESL Jobs

Bud Powell wrote:

BlueBlood wrote:

Based not only on this board, but also from PMing and even meeting current/former FT's, I've frankly gotten some figures that are rather out-there. By "out-there" I mean a huge discrepancy btw the high end and the low end.

In fact, I was personally offered a uni job which would have started this month. Free flat on campus. The hours? 18 teaching per week. The pay? Wait for it...About $650 U.S. per month. No joke there.

On the other end, an FT I know well, who's actually a gifted teacher but doesn't have a bachelor's degree (not that his school knows that!), told me about his situation: 16 contact hours per week; free flat on campus; and the Pay? Again, wait for it...$1,500 U.S. per month!

Can a few of the old hands here please chime in on this? As well as FT's currently working at Chinese unis? Where are the highest-paid uni jobs?

Thanks in advance. At the former pay, I literally cannot afford to teach in China due to financial obligations back home. At the latter, I can.

I don't know how the firestorm evolved into what it is now, but since my comments started it, maybe I can explain them.

First, the OP has been a member for some time, and has racked up 250+ comments, yet he's still asking for others to do his homework for him.

Second, the shift in point of view makes it difficult to determine whether he is in China or back in his (presumably western) home country.

The comment "... At the former pay, I literally cannot afford to teach in China due to financial obligations back home. At the latter, I can..." makes his situation sound as if he's both "back home" AND in China. Maybe he's confused; he was "personally offered a uni job which would have started this month." Huh?

On January 11th, he wrote: Things changed Stateside for me personally, so the point became moot. That said, if I do end up seeking an FT in China in the future I'll probably try to get a 6-month contract regardless of other factors (I realize this might not be realistic). That's bc I can stand on my head for 6 mo's, but I'd hate to land someplace, realize I'm isolated in a dumpy Chinese "suburb," my flat's on the ground floor and smells, and yet I'm earning a whopping 6,500/mo. for my misery.

So where is he? In China or "back home" or BOTH? Why would he make such assumptions? What's his agenda?

He himself states that he can't afford to live in China. So why is he ranting about it? Again, what's his agenda? (We've seen this sort of thing from CFTU ad nauseum for months now). My advice is for him to move on if he can't make it in China. China doesn't owe him a living.

He knows that, and I'm sure that he knows enough about China to know that China doesn't owe its own citizens a living.

I believe that his original post (before it was edited) asked the readers to let him know if his concerns were "superfluous" or had been covered previously. I let him know. I'm sorry if he (and others) didn't like my response. My response was just a response, not an attempt to restrain freedom of expression.

Did my response come across as abrupt and a bit nasty? Probably. I've lost patience with people who arrive in China with a bagful of false assumptions. I've also lost patience with the types of posts such as the first in this thread whose sole intent seems to be to engage forum members in pointless discussions about issues that have been discussed several times in one month. Further, the bellyaching about China from people who seem not to be in China is a bit irritating. I apologize to those whom I have truly offended. I will try not to respond to such posts from hereon.

I consider myself an astute reader; whether the medium is an online forum or not, something about the original message doesn't pass the smell test. (Credit to the originator of the phrase--- MuffinTop? Fat Chris?).

On the positive side, I greatly admire the OP's descriptive language and effective use of idioms. A+

Over and out.

Where to start, Bud? Firstly, I haven't even read all of your reply. Christ on bike you got into some rather serious detail there. You seem very interested in this thread. If not, why the lengthy reply?

Additionally, this thread has had over 2,000 hits to date. Does that not infer several posters/readers are interested in this topic? Would one of them be named Bud, by chance? Wink

I have a tremendous offer for you: If you don't care for my threads, don't reply to them. Indeed you're welcome to not even read them in the first place. Cheers

Bud Powell

Joined: 11 Jul 2013
Posts: 1736

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:22 am Post subject:

BlueBlood: Gotcha, dude. Have a Midol. You'll feel better.

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