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Elegantstatue
Joined: 24 Dec 2013 Posts: 70 Location: The Multiverse
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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@ Choudoufou. Please re-read what I said:
'I will not go in to full details of the interview disaster, but I was told one thing by the recruiter when the website explicitly stated another thing'.
I did say I was not about to present a prolix of the interview. I said she sabotaged it. Need I add the whole bloody transcript of the foching interview? She stated one thing when the website stated another!
And stop writing like an adolescent fifth grader. Whether it is laziness or not in your writing style they are two different things. Reading your text though is very annoying. It lacks in correct syntax. |
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muffintop
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 803
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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@ Lack and other whiner-complainers!
You think you're SPECIAL because you got hurt and "cheated" on a contract? You want things to work as they do in your "logical and ethical" home countries? Good luck with that!
... 'dis iz wie dey seyz! ... T.I.C.!!!
Why don't you come CLEAN and tell us all where you are, and how many places you have lived and worked in China -- and for how many years? I've read your posts and don't believe you're credible at all! Two words: Sour Grapes! Not smart enough to work the system, so you come here to cry!
Otherwise, take all of your expectations as to "how things SHOULD BE" in China and stuff them in a sack! If you've been here so long and had such grand experiences, then you should know better!
Better yet, just stay in your home country. Life is logical (to you) and better there! If you're not smart enough, qualified enough, or socially capable of making decent contacts or networking, then give the PRC a wide-berth. Stay where you are, honestly!
It's absolutely HORRIBLE here in mainland China, man!
Go to South Korea instead!
Good Luck, and KEEP GOING! (I hope I never get the opportunity to work with you. That will mean that at least one of us is doing well).
--GA |
Wow.
I have nothing to add to the above quote. Nothing at all. Just wanted to say..... if GA were a chick (and younger by a decade or 2) I'd have a crush.
....stuff it in a sack!!!
Love it! |
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muffintop
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 803
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Elegantstatue wrote: |
| It appears the original message has lost its essential meaning. So to divert from the post even further I sat an interview with EF. My interview was practically sabotaged after two minutes of communicating and I won't take responsibility for the failed interview. I will blame the inept and unprofessional Australian recruiter though. |
Yes, we all know how many recruiters try to sabotage interviews. It's not as if they make money by placing teachers at schools or something.
...who the hell fails an interview for EF? I did not think that was even possible. Did they suddenly develop standards beyond...breathing? Granted I never interviewed with them (I set my sights a bit higher) but I've heard and read enough to understand I made the right choice. |
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Elegantstatue
Joined: 24 Dec 2013 Posts: 70 Location: The Multiverse
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:09 am Post subject: Re: English First Interview |
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@Muffintop. You sound more rational than choudoufou. I will elaborate on the desultory interview with English first. The site states this clearly but the recruiter said otherwise:
•One copy each of two written work related references and/or details of two contactable work referees. http://www.efbluecard.com/
A blue card according to their rules that is adopted from the Queensland education system is a working with children clearance. It means in elementary terms, are you a paedophile or not. Frankly she adopted her state law and imposed it on me at caprice, bearing no relevance to the organisation. With the exception of the fact I am eligible for a working with children clearance. She also speculated without foundation I chose to teach young learners. I never decided that at the outset, she decided that!
I am eligible for a working with children clearance in my state. The recruiter said I needed two written referees that elaborated at least two years teaching experience. She interrupted me when she made that statement. Not all the employers over the past five years of my working life as a teacher will provide a written testament. Two of the schools in my state closed down, or the staff has turned over and new staff do not recognise my teacher status. That was one complication.
The blue card site states two contactable referees, it does not imply I must have solid evidence of teaching experience documented on paper, for a two year period.
The recruiter implied then that all white entities employed with English First are certified teachers that possessed two years teaching experience prior to joining English First. I have read many reports of EF in Hangzhou and other cities. All the reports inveighed against English First, an inauspicious sign. However, this idiot recruiter says I must have two years, documented and verifiable in words, teaching experience. That was when I was both perplexed and infuriated.
I think the recruiter was on her flush cycle or is sexually deprived and took her frustrations out on me. |
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choudoufu

Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 3325 Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:19 am Post subject: |
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delicious english.
but.....step away from the thesaurus. |
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muffintop
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 803
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
delicious english.
but.....step away from the thesaurus. |
I blame Shift F7 |
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GreatApe
Joined: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 582 Location: South of Heaven and East of Nowhere
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:18 am Post subject: |
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muffintop wrote:
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| I have nothing to add to the above quote. Nothing at all. Just wanted to say..... if GA were a chick (and younger by a decade or 2) I'd have a crush. |
... 谢谢您的夸奖!(although the "younger by a decade or two" comment stung quite a bit)!
Sometimes I get overly excited about people who come to different countries and expect the country to adjust to THEM, rather than the other way around. I have worked with many of these types of people ... it's exhausting work. Americans are notoriously bad about this (and Yes! ... I am an American). After awhile it really grates on the nerves.
I realize there may be a fine line between adapting and complaining, but to come to a country and expect to have everything your own way is preposterous, IMO.
--GA
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Elegantstatue
Joined: 24 Dec 2013 Posts: 70 Location: The Multiverse
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:32 am Post subject: |
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@choudoufu. So I have been told I am very smart. Or I could be an idiot savant. Nonetheless, I am highly evolved, I don't need a thesaurus, sometimes I refer to an on line dictionary to confirm the words I use are appropriate to a text. That is seldom though, to reduce redundant words, but no I did not refer to a thesaurus or dictionary this time either.
It would be good to hear opinions on peoples' experiences with English First though. I referred to another site and all I have heard is bad press. I did a search on Dave's but nothing materialised.
What I said before about the interview felt like a sabotage. I knew where I stood in the interview. However the recruiter did not give me a chance to explain myself point blank. Some new doors had better open soon. |
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 3198 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Whenever I look at the title of this thread, I think of that one-hit wonder by that band 4 Non Blondes from way back around 1993 or so.
And I take a deep breath and I get real high
And I scream from the top of my lungs
Ah whaaaat's goin' on!
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 3198 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Wow man, this thread is like the Energizer bunny.
Six pages…it keeps going and going and going and going and going and…
Still goin'!
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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GreatApe
Joined: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 582 Location: South of Heaven and East of Nowhere
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Elegantstatue wrote:
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| So I have been told I am very smart. Or I could be an idiot savant. |
This strikes me as insightful and something which plagues many of us. Here we are jousting with windmills!
No worries! KEEP GOING!
Speaking of which, I have never worked for EF, although I very nearly took a job with them in Shenzhen about a year ago. I ended up not interviewing with them because I was pretty sure it would be a job that I wouldn't like, but I was looking to move on at the time and grasping at straws (or, jabbing at windmills, if you prefer).
--GA |
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Elegantstatue
Joined: 24 Dec 2013 Posts: 70 Location: The Multiverse
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:24 am Post subject: |
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@ FatChris, cool, I have fans! Okay I will keep going.
4 non-blondes? No I never liked that song or that band. I could talk about other genres of music. NO WORRIES! As some Australian fans of mine have it. I am now in the 'In scene'. It's about time I have fans, I don't have friends, at least if I have fans I could be a pioneer of a new 'vent your spleen windmill' movement. Keep the fans coming! |
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mw182006

Joined: 10 Dec 2012 Posts: 310
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| EF is a franchise...so you're unlikely to get a consistent/useful opinion. Best you can do is talk to the current teachers and see what they think of the DoS. |
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Lack
Joined: 10 Aug 2011 Posts: 252
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| GreatApe wrote: |
You think you're SPECIAL because you got hurt and "cheated" on a contract? You want things to work as they do in your "logical and ethical" home countries? Good luck with that! |
I have a standard that I require anyone I interact with to meet. That standard is a tad bit higher for employers. Foreigners are "special" in these jobs because they can be damn hard to replace and never have to really worry about finding a job. Therefore, if Chinese employers want to lie and break contracts, foreigners can reasonably be expected to balk and disagree with the illogical and unethical ways Chinese tend to do things and to go elsewhere as a result. That I require things to be ethical and logical has nothing to do with the country; I require that anywhere and from anyone. If things were that way back home, I wouldn't have given China a shot. I wouldn't say things are more irrational here, but irrational in their own unique ways.
Regardless, you guys on the side of irrationality need to make up your minds. Does the standard apply to both employee and employer, or to neither? Can't have it both ways. Recall that I haven't broken anything in the contract, while my employer has. Regardless of the choice you pick - double standard or no - I haven't done anything wrong.
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Why don't you come CLEAN and tell us all where you are, and how many places you have lived and worked in China -- and for how many years? I've read your posts and don't believe you're credible at all! Two words: Sour Grapes! Not smart enough to work the system, so you come here to cry!  |
I'm not interested in "working a system." I came to work at a "school." Pair me fairly, and I just do my job and go home. Period. Simple.
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| Otherwise, take all of your expectations as to "how things SHOULD BE" in China and stuff them in a sack! If you've been here so long and had such grand experiences, then you should know better! |
Indeed. I won't give China another year of my time. This is my first year here. I guess you are referring to someone else. I wouldn't describe my time here as "grand," although China itself is so-so. But the employment here and the conditions and illogical nature of it makes it so infuriating that one year is plenty more than enough for me.
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| Better yet, just stay in your home country. Life is logical (to you) and better there! If you're not smart enough, qualified enough, or socially capable of making decent contacts or networking, then give the PRC a wide-berth. Stay where you are, honestly! |
Non-sequitur and a strawman. First, it does not follow that one should "stay home" if one does not like China. China is illogical; that doesn't mean every country out there is the same way.
Second, your strawman: I never said life is more logical and better back home. Stick to the facts, please. And feel free to learn some elementary logic. Trust me, it will help you out in life.
I am over-qualified and have contacts here. It's not a lack of those that is the problem. Perhaps, again, you are addressing someone else.
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| Good Luck, and KEEP GOING! (I hope I never get the opportunity to work with you. That will mean that at least one of us is doing well). |
Ah, you lack a grasp of even elementary logic AND you're a pompous know-it-all? What a catch you are. Surely, one would be losing out not to be able to work with a person of your paltry character. |
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doogsville
Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 924 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Lack wrote: |
Foreigners are "special" in these jobs because they can be damn hard to replace and never have to really worry about finding a job. |
Dear God man, are you now, or have you ever been, in China. Your about as unique as water over here. Your less difficult to replace than a light bulb. There is nothing about you of any value to any Chinese employer that cannot be found in millions of other native English speakers.
The second part of your sentence above completely contradicts the first part. If foreigners are so damn hard to replace, how come they never have trouble finding a job? Think about it? |
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