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Bud Powell
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Just like you can't assume that longtime past members will necessarily be better informed.
Agreed. Shouldn't assume. Some people never learn---- including many re-re-re-reincarnated members. Thanks for the reminder. |
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notnow
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Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="muffintop"]
Can we believe he is less informed/ignorant because of what he posts then? Is that fair enough for you?
Yep and more than fair
Anybody who claims that most of the good jobs become available one month before the semester start is off their rocker. It often takes more time then that just for the paperwork.
Totally agree, he was spouting utter crap
...and yeah...I am pretty sure this is not his first time here. Not yours either.
Yup
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IchliebeHunde1492
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| Happy Everyday wrote: |
If not mistaken, the takers tend to be recent graduates wanting to travel, old retirees, and a lot of people from low income backgrounds.
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That's EXACTLY what I noticed about TEFL in general. In BOTH of my TEFL courses (I failed the first time around - it is a challenging course!), the majority -scratch that - I think ALL - of the other students were either young and fresh out of college OR old retirees (probably earning a retirement pension from their U.S. employers or what have you). I'm 29, going on 30, so in both classes, I was the "middle man." Which is why I should take my parents' advice and just get settled in a full-time, "real" career in the U.S. Sorry, I know that wasn't helpful or even China-related, but I just wanted to share. |
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mw182006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| IchliebeHunde1492 wrote: |
| Happy Everyday wrote: |
If not mistaken, the takers tend to be recent graduates wanting to travel, old retirees, and a lot of people from low income backgrounds.
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That's EXACTLY what I noticed about TEFL in general. In BOTH of my TEFL courses (I failed the first time around - it is a challenging course!), the majority -scratch that - I think ALL - of the other students were either young and fresh out of college OR old retirees (probably earning a retirement pension from their U.S. employers or what have you). I'm 29, going on 30, so in both classes, I was the "middle man." Which is why I should take my parents' advice and just get settled in a full-time, "real" career in the U.S. Sorry, I know that wasn't helpful or even China-related, but I just wanted to share. |
Heh, who cares where you fall on the age spectrum? I'm 31 and jumped in last semester. I spent 10 years toiling away in a "real" career, aka sitting behind a couple of monitors all day in a cubicle. Whoop-de-fking-doo (and middle man is exactly what you'll be in a majority of corporate jobs). Teaching is a total 180 and I have no idea where it will take me, if anywhere. If you rely on your parents dime that's one story, but if not...life is short.
I'm on my last leg of a 34 day trip that started in Thailand and has brought me to northern Laos. The chances of pulling that off during my real job was between slim and none. |
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IchliebeHunde1492
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Hello, I thought I'd revive this thread in favor of the OP. I, too, have been applying for jobs in China without much success. I've had a few interviews, but the only offers I've gotten were shady schools trying to (quoting the OP) "lure me in on a tourist visa," something I myself would not do either! And the LEGIT schools that do take care of the Z Work Visa....they're just not interested in me. Geez Louise, am I the only one that can't find a legit job in China? I hear so many stories about how Americans (or whoever) got a great job teaching in China and had the time of their life! (Of course, there are also a lot of not-so-great stories about teachers in China getting screwed over, not getting paid on time, had the school "keep" their passport, etc.)
In my own thread, I complained about how hard it really is to get into TEFL, and people responsed like, "OP, you have to be there. Especially Latin America." Well, I'll put it to you this way: Even China and Russia are easier if you're there, on the ground running. By the way, I've been rejected from every school in Russia too! However, even many jobs in Russia are never advertised (hence, it's easier to go there, I guess on a tourist visa (?)).
I think I'll just go back to Ecuador, where I took my original TESOL course. At least I know people there, including my host sister  . Two of my classmates got legit jobs with a great company in Quito and now they have a nice apartment with a terrace overlooking the city  . I just started learning Brazilian Portuguese, so it's very tempting to go teach in Brazil, BUT with the World Cup going on this summer, it might not be a good time right now. Plus, Brazil is more expensive than Ecuador. There's always time later on to try Brazil (even though Brazilian schools do not give work permits to teachers). I know Dave's ESL Cafe has an entire forum dedicated to Brazil, so I'll stop now. |
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choudoufu
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| MeinHundderhatdreiEcken1492 wrote: |
| Hello, I thought I'd revive this thread in favor of the OP. I, too, have been applying for jobs in China without much success. ..... |
what are you doing wrong? us passport, degree, tefl certificate.....what's
not to love? you should have an endless supply of decent offers.
if'n you really want china, in about a month the unis will be ramping up
for fall hiring season. tens of thousands of positions available soon.
don't delay, apply today. |
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muffintop
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| offers..yes. decent offers? we'll see. |
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IchliebeHunde1492
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| choudoufu wrote: |
| what are you doing wrong? |
I WISH I KNEW!!! My parents are willing to fork out money for me to see a career counselor so I (and they) could get an answer to that very question and go from there. In fact, I'm meeting with a career counselor this afternoon! I can't wait! I just can't stand living in my parents' house any longer. Ironically, my Dad thinks one reason I'm getting rejected by schools in China is because I do Skype interviews in the basement, full of electrical panels, furnace/AC, old motorcycles, stacks of boxes and household items, gym equipment, etc. An "office" look with books and plants in the background would convey a MUCH better message, he says!
The bottom line is, the opportunities to go out there, earn a living, get my own place, and meet beautiful women (hint: Latin women) are dwindling by the day!  
I don't know why I'm getting rejected by programs that will "take just about anyone." I do know for Latinoamerica, I HAVE to be there in order to get hired. Even though this thread is supposed to be about China, maybe all this rejection a sign that I'm not meant to go to China. Heck, my senior high prom date was Hispanic, so that's a sign that I'm really meant to be in that part of the world, even though I'm zero percent Spaniard/Hispanic. I do have olive skin and dark hair, which is why many people assume I'm Spaniard or Hispanic. When working at a home improvement store, customers would sometimes (but not often) speak Spanish to me FIRST, before English, and this was in the U.S.!
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Mr. Kalgukshi
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One member less this thread is still open for discussion.
Personal insults get you banned on this board.
Yes, they do. |
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vikeologist
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Just checking that everyone knows that when applying to Unis (or probably anywhere) it's best to include copies of your passport (with key info blocked out if you're paranoid or sending it to recruiters), and a copy of your degree. If you're in country, your release letter as well.
Employers like to see that they can get you a residence permit / foreign experts certificate. A photo can be good as well. I'll state again my preference for a photo of you looking professional. Others seem to prefer a 'lifestyle' photo, though I'm never sure exactly what that means. I'm still haunted by some of the photos I've received in the past.
Anyway, this topic title is now out of date, as we're about to hit the time for September starts, of which there are more.
However, as people seem to have focussed on the 'decent' part of the title, most Unis don't pay a lot, at least at first. They're mostly part-time jobs in reality. 5,000 a month may or may not be decent, but like it or not, it is pretty much the market rate in a lot of places. |
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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Location: Beijing
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| vikeologist wrote: |
| Others seem to prefer a 'lifestyle' photo, though I'm never sure exactly what that means. I'm still haunted by some of the photos I've received in the past. |
Oh!
"lifestyle photo"--hahahaha, that phrase cracks me up. I have no idea what that means either, but I can imagine that I wouldn't want to see certain people's "lifestyle photos". The horror! The horror! Haunting indeed!
Yikes!
Warm regards,
fat_chris
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
what are you doing wrong? us passport, degree, tefl certificate.....what's not to love? you should have an endless supply of decent offers.
if'n you really want china, in about a month the unis will be ramping up for fall hiring season. tens of thousands of positions available soon. don't delay, apply today. |
This.
The Brouchoudoufu speaketh the full truth.
I am not sure how much is really out there/available for February hires in the first place, but sit tight--at the end of March and April, there should be a boatload of job openings being flogged about for universities with a September start date.
Don't delay! Apply today! Linfen University of Science & Technology here I come!
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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