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jijor



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:13 pm    Post subject: Getting a Master's while teaching. Reply with quote

Does anyone have suggestions on where to teach to get a master's while teaching? It doesn't have to be the school that I'm teaching at, and it should not be a online master's degree.

Comments from people that have done this, or are doing it now, would be especially useful.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are several variables that make your situation tricky.

You need to be specific about the degree major and from what country. The problem with the latter is that it may be difficult to find a teaching position in a language school or college setting in a particular country if your qualifications don't meet the minimum. Obviously, there also needs to be a nearby university that offers your target degree program since you don't want to study via online. Moreover, keep in mind that employers generally want to see TEFL-related degrees obtained from an Anglophone university, which limits you to the US, Canada, UK, etc., if that's important to you.

That said, many US universities have work study programs for those who qualify, but those positions definitely don't involve teaching. There are also graduate assistantships offered through many US universities (an easy Internet search). You might also look into something like a fellowship in TESOL from the American University in Cairo, if that's the field you're interested in.
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jijor



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:17 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

I need to reflect on what you've said.

The logistic side of it all is what I'm grappling with.

I've received several job offers from Saudi (I'm supposed to be interviewing for one tomorrow), and ironically the Master's options there are primarily online, but I just can't do it. Not after seeing articles and pictures about shredded hands because people read the "wrong" book. So, I've been reconsidering Asia.

Finding a school that offers a Master's in the English language is quite a challenge in itself. Getting a low key job near that school is even more challenging. (I suppose you could source a job on location, but I was hoping to have a proper work visa to avoid entering on a tourist visa.)

Since I have two BA's in liberal arts, and teaching English is one of the only ways to earn a living in today's economy (despite IT certifications and experience), I guess I'm stuck with linguistic oriented degree's as my choice. Sadly, I've wanted to change over to environmental conservation and restoration for years, but can't do it without going through the whole undergraduate system again.

As far as Western universities, I simply can't afford the tuition.

I do need to think about what you've written; it's all food for thought.
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rtm



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: Thanks Reply with quote

jijor wrote:
As far as Western universities, I simply can't afford the tuition.

As nomad soul indicated, many universities in the US that have intensive English programs offer graduate assistantships to their MA TESOL students to teach there. Usually, the student teaches a couple courses (1/2 time) and takes a full-time load of graduate work (9 credits). In exchange, tuition is usually either reduced or waived completely, and the student also often received a stipend which is about enough for a single person to live frugally. So, the tuition doesn't need to be a barrier.
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP's been watching too much CNN.

In Asia you can earn a respectable MATESOL / MATEFL / M.ED TEFL/M.Ed at a number of universities and they ARE accepted as legitimate in most other countries on the planet. You can also do an MBA

Seoul National, Chulalongkorn, The University of Hong Kong, University of the Philippines (UP Dillman), Hong Kong Institute of Education to name but a few in Asia that are respected globally and offer post graduate programs in English.

As an American with a Bachelor's degree you can find legal work in Korea, Thailand and Hong Kong while you are working on your MA/M.Ed/MBA.

You'd be looking at US$12-15k (books and tuition) for a decent master's program. Many post grad programs are run on the weekends (Fri evening, Sat, Sun) to accommodate working professionals so you can work and learn at the same time.

I know that SNU and Chula often fly in visiting profs from US, and UK uni's for specific programs, as guest lecturers and for workshops/symposiums. HKI has a number of well respected researchers who also lecture at the post grad level.

HKU, SNU and Chula are also respected research uni's and you will be expected to publish as a requirement for graduation.

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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suphanburi wrote:
In Asia you can earn a respectable MATESOL / MATEFL / M.ED TEFL/M.Ed at a number of universities and they ARE accepted as legitimate in most other countries on the planet. You can also do an MBA

Seoul National, Chulalongkorn, The University of Hong Kong, University of the Philippines (UP Dillman), Hong Kong Institute of Education to name but a few in Asia that are respected globally and offer post graduate programs in English.

Those degrees may be well-regarded in Asia, but to state they're "respected globally" is pushing it. To get a sense of how limiting the degree would be, try getting a job in say, the United Arab Emirates, with an MA from an Asian university.

That's not to say there's anything wrong with these degrees---that they're not legit; however, the better employers worldwide expect a native speaker to hold a degree from an Anglophone university---one that carries specific accreditation and touts a native-speaking faculty. Moreover, a degree program from an English-speaking country takes into account learners of diverse languages and cultures representative of the country's demographic refugee and emigrant makeup. (I've taught several ESL classes in the US to groups of students representing a dozen nationalities and distinct, different languages including Spanish, Arabic, Oromo, Russian, Armenian, Hmong, Amharic, Somali, Khmer, etc.) By contrast, a similar MA degree from an Asian uni targets a very specific linguistic pool of learners. Not surprising, even the University of Hong Kong's brochure states, "Schools, universities, and other educational institutions in Asia are in need of skilled professional English language teachers with Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL) qualifications. This MA(TESOL) programme is designed to prepare teachers for work in these important positions." In other words, this degree program and others like it really aren't intended for teachers who expect to head out of Asia for teaching work.

Anyway, there have been a couple of forum members with TEFL-related MAs from non-Anglophone countries lamenting about how that decision has shut them out of a wider pool of job opportunities. Just something to think about when choosing a degree program.
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ttxor1



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Getting a Master's while teaching. Reply with quote

jijor wrote:
Comments from people that have done this, or are doing it now, would be especially useful.


I didn't do it, but I had a tutor who did and she, in my opinion, was the best teacher. I saw its potential value though and i did the CELTA towards the end of my MA. teaching while doing an MA would have made it much easier for me to see the relevance of theory and meaningfully connect it to practice....
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In Asia you can earn a respectable MATESOL / MATEFL / M.ED TEFL/M.Ed at a number of universities and they ARE accepted as legitimate in most other countries on the planet. You can also do an MBA


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the University of Hong Kong's brochure states, "Schools, universities, and other educational institutions in Asia are in need of skilled professional English language teachers with Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL) qualifications. This MA(TESOL) programme is designed to prepare teachers for work in these important positions." In other words, this degree program and others like it really aren't intended for teachers who expect to head out of Asia for teaching work.

Anyway, there have been a couple of forum members with TEFL-related MAs from non-Anglophone countries lamenting about how that decision has shut them out of a wider pool of job opportunities. Just something to think about when choosing a degree program



nomadsoul is correct; I have been on hiring committees in North America and Europe for a decade and an MA from an Asian university would not be regarded as anywhere near par with one from an Anglophone country. It should be absolutely fine for teaching in Asia, but if you are thinking about going elsewhere, think again.
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