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Mysteries of Japanese Culture. Things you just don't get.
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Black_Beer_Man



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:10 am    Post subject: Mysteries of Japanese Culture. Things you just don't get. Reply with quote

Was thinking this could be a good topic for a thread. If there's something about Japanese culture that you don't understand, please post it here.

If someone out there knows the rationale to your incomprehensible observation, please do write that here too.

I'll start...

Why is it that in densely populated residential areas Japanese people tolerate these young guys who modify their motorbikes to make their engines extremely noisy?

I live in such an area and heard some idiot starting and restarting his motorbike this morning. I was wondering why nobody calls the police?

In my country, there are noise laws and people are not allowed to modify their cars or motorbikes to make excessive noise. Yes, there is the odd jerk who drives a pimped up noisy car, but in Japan, these motorcycle idiots seem to be a lot more common.

And you notice that in almost every case, these guys drive small unimpressive motorbikes.
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Shonai Ben



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is eating something a news item?
Can't watch the news without someone declaring that any or all food is oishii!!......I just don't get it.
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2buckets



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M/C fuel tanks rarely have locks.

A visit by the sugar water fairy will soon solve the problem.Just be happy you don't have hundreds of mosques blasting the call to prayer at 4am.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=106627
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL at the sugar water.


For me; OT and the obsession to work tons of OT. It isn't healthy mentally, physically, nor for your family/marriage. Also, it doesn't do much, as it makes for a unproductive workforce.
Yet, most Japanese see the need to stay at work until 8pm, everyday.
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gender separation. It's still strange seeing this. Women hang with women and men hang with men. How does anyone manage getting into romantic relationships if they seem to act fearful if the other gender?
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess what I don`t get is that, for all the modern things in this country, in some ways it is still feudal, such as the way people eat with their chopsticks, the way people speak (keigo), the discrimination that women face, etc. It is a Confucian society that is not comfortable living in the 21st century. It is a developed country, but when it comes to its society, it is underdeveloped.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
It is a developed country, but when it comes to its society, it is underdeveloped.


Modernization and Westernization are two separate processes. I don't see the two as going hand in hand.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steki47 wrote:
Modernization and Westernization are two separate processes.

Appreciating that distinction is one of the important ways in which travel broadens the mind. Although it doesn't seem to work for everyone...
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
I guess what I don`t get is that, for all the modern things in this country, in some ways it is still feudal, such as the way people eat with their chopsticks, the way people speak (keigo), the discrimination that women face, etc. It is a Confucian society that is not comfortable living in the 21st century. It is a developed country, but when it comes to its society, it is underdeveloped.


Keigo is such a waste of time. Tehy have masu and desu from. Why have another 3 levels of polite language types above regular polite? A waste of time and energy imho.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
Keigo is such a waste of time. Tehy have masu and desu from. Why have another 3 levels of polite language types above regular polite? A waste of time and energy imho.


I see your point, but will disagree here. Keigo is a reflection of the vertical society the Japanese have had for centuries. The language spoken to and by the emperor is even more a reflection.

I would also argue that is rather ethnocentric of us to critique their language in such a way. One could argue that the past tense is a waste of time. Thai doesn't bother with it and simply uses adverbs of time: "Yesterday I go to the store." and "Yesterday I went to the store." are both comprehensible statements.
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RM1983



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it's the dancing ban/lack of nightclubs. I dont see how people can say te nightlife here matches somewhere like London or even smaller size western cities when you struggle to go and get a wobble on. Im always itching to go somewhere loud, cheap and a bit chaotic and then end up being shuffled into the corner of some small bar!

Also a pet hate of mine is why are the gigs on early? From what ive seen they nearly always start at about 7. Surely theyd be selling a lot more tickets if they started them at 8:30/9:00? Most people are gonna miss em at 7
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Black_Beer_Man



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that this society not only tolerates cigarette smoking, it caters to it. There are tobacco shops that sell nothing but tobacco. Many restaurants either allow smokers free reign of their place or create a smokers room. Wow!

Contrast that with many other industrialized countries where the number of smokers is plummeting and governments (with the pressure of fed-up non-smokers) have legislated that all public buildings be second-hand smoke free.

Japan appears to be living in the stone age.

Here in this country, you can pollute the air in public buildings, but don't you dare wear your "outside" shoes inside the building and bring dust and dried mud inside. Rolling Eyes
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RM1983



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tobacco shops not common all over? Certainly there are quite a few in the UK for now.
Im a smoker and I actually think I prefer going to non smoking pubs and then going outside to smoke. It is depressing as hell to see kids in the smoking areas.

I guess here it would be trickier as you cant smoke on the street, in most cases. In the UK most places have a beer garden or at least a small area where you can smoke.

I think the restaurants and etc that have a well seperated smoking section probably have the right compromise. I dunno though with many places being rather small.

It is kind of a catch-22. If you banned it in all public places then a lot of Izakayas and so on would stand to go under, but at the same time you never know how many are kept away by the smoke. My guess is the people who drink the most also probably smoke too so bars probably prefer it as it is. Im happy to go outside but thinking of a lot places Ive been to/go to it wouldnt be just going outside itd be going outside and walking 5 mins to the smoking area an 5 mins back. I dont go out much at the moment but I cant imagine wanting to spend an evening doing that.

Im sure some compromise could be reached though
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steki47 wrote:


I see your point, but will disagree here. Keigo is a reflection of the vertical society the Japanese have had for centuries. The language spoken to and by the emperor is even more a reflection.

I would also argue that is rather ethnocentric of us to critique their language in such a way. One could argue that the past tense is a waste of time. Thai doesn't bother with it and simply uses adverbs of time: "Yesterday I go to the store." and "Yesterday I went to the store." are both comprehensible statements.


I see your point on not having past tense. But the problem is, all of English has tenses. It's not like you don't have past tense in slang, and then in formal, you suddenly start using it. Which makes it hard for Japanese speakers, as they basically have to learn a Shakespearean like Japanese on top of their own language in order to function.

Yes, it comes from their past, but that is an awful history that it comes from. The samurai and lords weren't some benevolent group, they were in general onerous and terrible. Keigo comes from an ugly past, and is useless now. Yes the samurai used it to talk to each other and so on, but how does that really pertain to the present? It is a throwback, and a useless one at that imho.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
Keigo comes from an ugly past.... It is a throwback, and a useless one at that imho.

But in English we also vary our vocabulary and grammar to convey respect, degree of formality, and so on. In principle, it's not really so very different from Japanese.

Sure, it's hard to learn keigo, and that's the point! Proficiency in keigo functions as a socio-linguistic signal. Again, it's not so different from the pseudo-Latin grammatical embellishments of formal English.
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