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| What is the most you'd pay to a job recruiter or agent in China? |
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55% |
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33% |
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0% |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013
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| RWA1981 wrote: |
The big problem is that many recruiters pretend to be HR people from the various schools, or say they are "placement specialists" with some government agency and you do not find out the truth until after you already sign a contract and arrive in China. To avoid this deception, I suggest you look at the email address or name of the people who contact you, write it down and then see if it is blacklisted at http://worldwolfwatch.wordpress.com |
The bigger problem is that one CANNOT know whether he is dealing with someone posing as an FAO or an HR person unless he visits the site in person. At the universities and the colleges where I have taught, the FAO preferred not to get involved in the hiring process. It is not uncommon for the FAO to ask FTs at universities if they know anyone who wants to teach at the university or college. Part of the reluctance of FAO's to get involved is based on culture, the other is based on language. Many FAO's don't trust their language abilities enough to engage a prospective hiree.
Another problem is that FTs ask too many questions for the FAO's liking. Sometimes they ask questions that the FAO cannot answer, such as exact holiday schedules. Those who who work for language schools may find it hard to believe, but sometimes, NOBODY at the university knows about the holiday schedules until a week before the holiday. This p*sses off the newbie and he interprets the FAO's inability to answer questions as avoidance or deception. At one college, the first thing that the dean of the foreign languages said to me was, "Please don't get angry if I can't answer your questions sometimes. Sometimes I don't find out about things until they happen." She was near tears. And she was NOT a youngster. She had been in the position for years.
Recruiters aren't going to disappear, and the argument regarding whether to use one or not isn't going to go away until everyone realizes how things work in China and how to make the hiring practices work for him. That isn't going to happen either.
Sometimes going directly to the school isn't much better. School managers and owners are just as capable of misspeaking as a recruiter is.
In short: If you can get to the school and get someone to take the time to talk to you and show you around, you'll have to rely upon an acquaintance or friend who works for the school, or you'll have to rely upon a recruiter. That's the way it is.
Those who don't like it can buy me a beer. 
PS Anyone who finds himself in a position in which the recruiter asks for money should drop the phone ASAP or run as fast and as far away as possible. Recruiters who charge are double dipping. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
Posts: 3325
Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| RWA1981 wrote: |
| The big problem is that many recruiters pretend to be ... |
i'm with you there sockbro! i just hates it when "people" (or puppets as
the case may be) pretend to be something they're not.
some even register with online forums repeatedly under assumed aliaseses,
pretending to be new members, only to soon start flooding the forumses
with bs spam. |
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NoBillyNO
Joined: 11 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| pretend to be something they're not. |
The meaning of alias, which we all take part in.....
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| Part of the reluctance of FAO's to get involved is based on culture, the other is based on language. |
avoid responsibility ... avoid blame
A poster named Vasquez posted on Beijing Stuff.. he has been a member since last Saturday.....
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| Why risk being cheated with your next job in China? Take 15 minutes to check these five major blacklists and you will save yourself, time, money and lost sleep.. |
http://www.bjstuff.com/forum/topics/china-school-recruiter-and-agent-blascklist-for-foreign-expat?xg_source=activity |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013
Posts: 1736
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
| RWA1981 wrote: |
| The big problem is that many recruiters pretend to be ... |
i'm with you there sockbro! i just hates it when "people" (or puppets as
the case may be) pretend to be something they're not.
some even register with online forums repeatedly under assumed aliaseses,
pretending to be new members, only to soon start flooding the forumses
with bs spam. |
Spam or not, at least some serious issues and non-issues are being raised and addressed.
My answer to almost any initial employment problem is that if the applicant does his @#*!!! homework, he won't get scrod. It doesn't matter whether he uses a recruiter or sleeps with the school owner or FAO. If something isn't in the contract and the applicant finds out later that the situation isn't so rosy, the applicant shot himself in the foot.
I mean, REALLY. Just how fraudulent can a recruiter be? If a recruit doesn't ask, the recruiter is under no obligation to volunteer the info.
Most of the contracts I've signed don't mention a western toilet anymore because they're more common today than they were fifteen years ago. Guess what? If I don't see a description of the bathroom, I ASK ABOUT IT. That's one surprise I won't tolerate. I don't care if a squat toilet is healthier and more natural; it's barbaric, inhumane, and a couple of other things I can't think of at the moment.
Wait. Disgusting. (I'll think of a few more).
If work hours aren't mentioned and overtime isn't addressed, I ASK ABOUT IT.
I ALWAYS ask whether the apartment is private. I will NOT share an apartment with a Neanderthal. It's bad enough that I have to share a building with one or four.
I ask if I will have to commute across town, and how far the bus stop is from the apartment. The last school I worked for volunteered this information, but unfortunately, the FAO failed to inform me that the bus stop was recently moved to a really inconvenient location. I failed to ask about that, so that's my fault.
I ask about class size, even though I am prepared to teach class in a room as crammed as a bus station on a Friday afternoon.
Incredibly inconvenient. (See squat toilets). How in God's name can one anybody use one and be confident that there won't be a major accident?
DO YOUR HOMEWORK! |
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