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soheeb16
Joined: 17 Jun 2013 Posts: 57 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:47 pm Post subject: Getting Visa for Newborn in time |
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Hello everyone.
I am looking to apply to work in Saudi Arabia for the Spring 2015 semester. I am posting to ask: when exactly does the Spring semester start, and how often before the semester will I be put on a plane before that?
I also wish to take my wife and upcoming kid, who is expected around mid-November. I am wondering if I will have enough time to get a Passport and Visa for the Spring semester given this timeline (I live in New York). I would ideally want them to fly on the same plane as me, or at least lag by only a few weeks and not months.
Thanks in advance. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Calendars are published online eg at www.kfupm.edu.sa or www.dcc.edu.sa
All higher education colleges and unis use the same calendar laid down by MoHE in Riyadh.
http://www.dcc.edu.sa/ac.html
It should be possible. Apply for passport (US ?) immediately after birth and then proceed for visa applications.
teachers routinely turn up late for contract start. Be aware that starting in Semester 2 has financial implications. : your summer pay will be pro-rated and you will receive no End-of-Service Benefit for that semester. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Spring sessions generally start in January; however, a few things for you to keep in mind:
1) You'll be limited to positions that are open around that time. That equates to fewer direct-hire opportunities but plenty of jobs via contracting companies which recruit year round. Obviously, your options depend on the strength of your qualifications.
2) If you don't qualify for direct-hire positions, be aware that it's not uncommon for contracting companies to only offer a bachelor-status or single status visa as well as benefits covering just one person, which means some financial and logistical challenges in sponsoring your family on your own. Then there's the "reputation" of the company, so research thoroughly. Take a look at "Sponsoring wife and kids on your own" (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=104495)
3) Your timing is key; the process of getting an employment visa can drag out and further delay when you're able to arrive in country. Plus, as Scot47 mentioned, a spring arrival (for direct-hire, university employment) can negatively affect your salary and benefits. |
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soheeb16
Joined: 17 Jun 2013 Posts: 57 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the replies.
For long-winded reasons, I will actually not have my MA until the end of the Fall 2015 semester, so I will be teaching 1 year without it. Given this, I need to start with a contracting company at first.
As for the salary, if it is prorated then I still get summary pay, no? Or am I to assume a lower rate than if I taught the whole year? And if this is the case, would my contact be for 6 months? I would prefer a year or a year-and-a-half deal, but the year deal will get me stuck in a Spring semester loop... |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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soheeb16 wrote: |
As for the salary, if it is prorated then I still get summary pay, no? Or am I to assume a lower rate than if I taught the whole year? And if this is the case, would my contact be for 6 months? I would prefer a year or a year-and-a-half deal, but the year deal will get me stuck in a Spring semester loop... |
The scenario Scot47 presented was for direct hires, whereby contracts are cut-n-dry. I seriously doubt contracting companies offer any type of salary proration because they're not bound by semesters since they hire year round. Also, don't count on paid annual leave (summer or any other time of the year) from a contractor unless you've worked at least one full contract term. |
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soheeb16
Joined: 17 Jun 2013 Posts: 57 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Understood. As I have stated before, I understand I will be going on low-footing with a contractor, but I do wish to complete my MA and rack up some experience so that I can eventually stick with direct-hire positions. That being said, I still would rather go in the middle of the semester and do a direct-hire job and get relevant experience than stay here and work for half as much (which is the status with my current job).
Thanks once again for answering my questions nomad soul. |
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scot47

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Once you have been enslaved by a contractor, it is not so easy to leave and get another job in the same country ! |
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soheeb16
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm... but wouldn't it be easier to get a non-contractor job with some experience under a contractor then with none at all? |
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nomad soul

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:14 am Post subject: |
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soheeb16 wrote: |
I will actually not have my MA until the end of the Fall 2015 semester, so I will be teaching 1 year without it. Given this, I need to start with a contracting company at first. |
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I understand I will be going on low-footing with a contractor, but I do wish to complete my MA and rack up some experience so that I can eventually stick with direct-hire positions. That being said, I still would rather go in the middle of the semester and do a direct-hire job and get relevant experience than stay here and work for half as much (which is the status with my current job). |
What I understand you to say is that you expect to work for a contracting company for a full contract year or two while continuing to study for your MA via online. Once you have some experience under your belt from working for X contracting company, you would return to the US to apply for direct-hire opportunities.
If that's your plan, be aware your MA may not be accepted since some of your coursework would have been completed online. That could be problematic if you expect it to qualify you for direct-hire positions. |
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soheeb16
Joined: 17 Jun 2013 Posts: 57 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:56 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I am aware. If you remember, we have discussed this before in previous conversations. I have taken the route of the dark side and done a distance learning MA. I understand this may make it difficult to get a direct-hire position. As I mentioned before, my circumstances didn't allow for an in-person TESOL MA so it was this or nothing.
My understanding is that it isn't impossible though, and there are still opportunities. Even if we assume this false, I am hoping my MA would still be worth getting me more leverage and better salaries with contractors. Again, I could be wrong and it won't be worth it, but I am hopeful. Time will tell. |
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