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stinkytofu



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:57 pm    Post subject: Working On A Tourist Visa? Reply with quote

I was just wondering if anyone has attempted working on a tourist visa lately and what was the result? Thanks.
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JoeKing



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did, for 3 months in the fall of 2013. But even though my employers kept their promises and finally made me legal, I would not advise doing it that way to anyone else, unless there are extenuating circumstances. It's just a big hassle, even if everything goes right, as I have written about in other threads.
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Laoshi1950



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is illegal to work in China on a Tourist Visa.
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stinkytofu



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeKing wrote:
I did, for 3 months in the fall of 2013. But even though my employers kept their promises and finally made me legal, I would not advise doing it that way to anyone else, unless there are extenuating circumstances. It's just a big hassle, even if everything goes right, as I have written about in other threads.


My problem is I'm in the Philippines and the last time I applied for a Z visa from here the school hired someone else just before I was about to leave because it took too long to get my paper work done here.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stinky, don't you read the posts? This has been discussed ad nauseum.
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
Stinky, don't you read the posts? This has been discussed ad nauseum.


My thoughts exactly: why does this question keep coming up?

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fat_chris
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkytofu wrote:
My problem is I'm in the Philippines and the last time I applied for a Z visa from here the school hired someone else just before I was about to leave because it took too long to get my paper work done here.


did the school send you all the proper documents to apply for the visa?

did you get the visa? if so, how long did it take?

did you use the visa? and so on.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it keeps coming cause while some seek security in receiving the proper paperwork before arrival, some lose a chance to those willing to take the risk....
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likwid_777



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel this is my civic duty, so:

likwid_777 wrote:
I did this a few years ago. I got booted out of China. Why do it, when there are so many other schools where you can get the correct visa? Do you need that in the back of your mind? And do you need or want to get booted out of China when the PSB raids? What about if your employer doesn't like you, and refuses to pay you. Who are you going to call, Ghostbusters? You have no power.

I speak from experience, I believed my employer when they said they would organise the proper visa after arriving in China. They didn't. I was naive and stupid. Be naive and stupid too, if you like, and have fun with that.
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like stinkytofu has given up on teaching online from Cebu. Being here too so did I, and the stint teaching Business English here at a University was not worth it so I am out of teaching for now.

Anyways, I was going to go to a good job in Guanxi from here some months back, but going on an F Visa and then going to Hong Kong and then returning to China had too many ifs for me to take it. Since the September visa changes there is a sign in the window of the Chinese consulate that you must be a permanent resident to apply for any sort of Chinese visa.

There is a poor fellow American holed up in a hostel near me that is broke from the process of trying to get a visa from here for a position in Anhui, which is not so difficult a provence. It is like a novel of what he has been going through with agencies, changing regulations, etc.

Couple that with the newest regulations of what will happen to you now if you are caught (and they are actively enforcing it more and more) and I would say China is a no go unless you are willing to travel back to your home country. Of course, from your experience already sounds like you pretty much know this.

Very bad but very Chinese for the school to screw you at the last minute.

I honestly have no idea who they expect to be filling these positions in the future from a cost/benefit analysis.

Best of luck,
Jim
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like stinkytofu has given up on teaching online from Cebu. Being here too so did I, and the stint teaching Business English here at a University was not worth it so I am out of teaching for now.

Anyways, I was going to go to a good job in Guanxi from here some months back, but going on an F Visa and then going to Hong Kong and then returning to China had too many ifs for me to take it. Since the September visa changes there is a sign in the window of the Chinese consulate that you must be a permanent resident to apply for any sort of Chinese visa.

There is a poor fellow American holed up in a hostel near me that is broke from the process of trying to get a visa from here for a position in Anhui, which is not so difficult a provence. It is like a novel of what he has been going through with agencies, changing regulations, etc.

Couple that with the newest regulations of what will happen to you now if you are caught (and they are actively enforcing it more and more) and I would say China is a no go unless you are willing to travel back to your home country.

Very bad but very Chinese for the school to screw you at the last minute.

I honestly have no idea who they expect to be filling these positions in the future from a cost/benefit analysis.

Best of luck,
Jim
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like stinkytofu has given up on teaching online from Cebu. Being here too so did I, and the stint teaching Business English here at a University was not worth it so I am out of teaching for now.

Anyways, I was going to go to a good job in Guanxi from here some months back, but going on an F Visa and then going to Hong Kong and then returning to China had too many ifs for me to take it. Since the September visa changes there is a sign in the window of the Chinese consulate that you must be a permanent resident to apply for any sort of Chinese visa.

There is a poor fellow American holed up in a hostel near me that is broke from the process of trying to get a visa from here for a position in Anhui, which is not so difficult a provence. It is like a novel of what he has been going through with agencies, changing regulations, etc.

Couple that with the newest regulations of what will happen to you now if you are caught (and they are actively enforcing it more and more) and I would say China is a no go unless you are willing to travel back to your home country.

Very bad but very Chinese for the school to screw you at the last minute.

I honestly have no idea who they expect to be filling these positions in the future from a cost/benefit analysis.

Best of luck,
Jim
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimpellow wrote:
Anyways, I was going to go to a good job in Guanxi from here some months back


Good jobs here always involve guanxi.

jimpellow wrote:
There is a poor fellow American holed up in a hostel near me that is broke from the process of trying to get a visa from here for a position in Anhui


Shocked Exclamation

YOINKS! … AND AWAY!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMNnZ5TRHsM

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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coldcucumber



Joined: 21 Dec 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimpellow wrote:
Looks like stinkytofu has given up on teaching online from Cebu. Being here too so did I, and the stint teaching Business English here at a University was not worth it so I am out of teaching for now.

Anyways, I was going to go to a good job in Guanxi from here some months back, but going on an F Visa and then going to Hong Kong and then returning to China had too many ifs for me to take it. Since the September visa changes there is a sign in the window of the Chinese consulate that you must be a permanent resident to apply for any sort of Chinese visa.

There is a poor fellow American holed up in a hostel near me that is broke from the process of trying to get a visa from here for a position in Anhui, which is not so difficult a provence. It is like a novel of what he has been going through with agencies, changing regulations, etc.

Couple that with the newest regulations of what will happen to you now if you are caught (and they are actively enforcing it more and more) and I would say China is a no go unless you are willing to travel back to your home country. Of course, from your experience already sounds like you pretty much know this.

Very bad but very Chinese for the school to screw you at the last minute.

I honestly have no idea who they expect to be filling these positions in the future from a cost/benefit analysis.

Best of luck,
Jim

Hk visa runs are still a possibility.
Jim, was your job offer in nanning for acgem?
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stinkytofu



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:
stinkytofu wrote:
My problem is I'm in the Philippines and the last time I applied for a Z visa from here the school hired someone else just before I was about to leave because it took too long to get my paper work done here.


did the school send you all the proper documents to apply for the visa?

did you get the visa? if so, how long did it take?

did you use the visa? and so on.


The problem was the slow mail service in the Philippines. It took a month for me to receive the paper work for my visa using DHL courier from Beijing. The school got tired of waiting for my visa to get processed and gave the job to someone else.

Jim is right, I am giving up on teaching English online, its a really bad idea.

Can you still apply for a tourist visa in HK and how long is the wait? Thanks.
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