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zaser45
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 Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:14 pm Post subject: Getting it Done |
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With all the visa regulations getting tough now in China. I was curious if there is any province or city in China you can go that will be easier to get a work visa?
This includes not having to go back to your home country. Also if you can go to the province on an L visa and change it to a Z from there.
Thanks for your thoughts. |
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zaser45
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| No one has any idea about this? I'm in a desperate situation. I hope someone has some suggestion where I can go. |
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Bud Powell
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| It's easy to get a Z visa from all provinces as long as you meet the requirements. What's the problem? |
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The_Kong
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Getting it Done |
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| zaser45 wrote: |
With all the visa regulations getting tough now in China. I was curious if there is any province or city in China you can go that will be easier to get a work visa?
This includes not having to go back to your home country. Also if you can go to the province on an L visa and change it to a Z from there.
Thanks for your thoughts. |
Your question is too broad for anyone to answer. Give some specifics and you may have better luck.
What exactly are these tough new regulations you've heard of? (my area hasn't had any changes in the past 2 years)
Are you looking for any province in particular? I doubt you'll get a respondent from every province chiming in to say whether or not it's easy to get a work visa there.
Not having to go back to your home country to get a new Z-visa is pretty hard without at the very least a Hong Kong run. If you're already in China why aren't you just doing a residence permit transfer instead?
I can't count the number of times people have warned against coming to China on anything other than a Z visa. Too unpredictable, too many potential problems, too much room for abuse on the part of the employer. Just plain stupid and completely unnecessary. |
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teenoso
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:46 am Post subject: |
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It is reasonably safe to assume that if the employer is public and says they can get you a z visa in HK, then they can. I would only rely on such information, and not on the say-so of private employers , or people here. Things change.
Anecdotely, from previous threads, it is said that HK visa runs are possible from Guangxi and Jiangsu (but maybe only some cities). There is little info from other provinces, but it seems that the HK run is not possible from Guangdong. But this information is from last year , and may already be outdated. Regulations and their application change arbitrarily and frequently.
Other places , that are particularly strict (Qingdao, maybe Beijing and elsewhere ), may insist on issuing the Z visa in your home country only.
If you searched back, you could also find threads about people stranded in HK unable to get the Z visa there, even though their paperwork seemed fine, so exercise maximum caution.
Again, anecdotely , some consulates in third countries such as Cambodia and Thailand may be willing to issue Z visas , but the only authoritative source is a trustworthy potential employer.
Make sure the employer knows where you want the z visa issued, and this must be included on the invitation letter. (eg. issuing office : HK ). |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| zaser45 wrote: |
| I'm in a desperate situation. |
china is not the place for those in 'desperate situations.' |
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The_Kong
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
| zaser45 wrote: |
| I'm in a desperate situation. |
china is not the place for those in 'desperate situations.' |
Half the people I know in China came because they were in a 'desperate situation'  |
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
| zaser45 wrote: |
| I'm in a desperate situation. |
china is not the place for those in 'desperate situations.' |
Seconded.
| The_Kong wrote: |
| Half the people I know in China came because they were in a 'desperate situation' |
Oh! 
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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Toast
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Getting it Done |
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| The_Kong wrote: |
| zaser45 wrote: |
With all the visa regulations getting tough now in China. I was curious if there is any province or city in China you can go that will be easier to get a work visa?
This includes not having to go back to your home country. Also if you can go to the province on an L visa and change it to a Z from there.
Thanks for your thoughts. |
Your question is too broad for anyone to answer. Give some specifics and you may have better luck. |
This. Hard enough to answer accurately even *with* all the relevant info. With the broad (lack of) details you've provided any answer that is given is likely to be incorrect for your situation or a guess.
Individual schools, different provinces, different PSB offices in the same province, different PSB officers in the same office in the same province, the same PSB officer in in the same office in the same province at a different time of the day, different embassies, different consulates and embassies in the same country, different officials in the same embassy etc. all seem to apply whatever interpretation of whatever law they personally see fit in spite of whatever different government office or Foreign Affairs Officer has "promised" you can be done. It's not just a case of one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing anymore, rather one centipede's leg not knowing what the other 300 are doing.
A teacher at my school (Wuxi, Jiangsu) last week converted an L visa over to a 1 year residence permit without needing to go to Hong Kong to change it to a Z visa first. I don't think that is common anymore - certainly not in the more "desirable" provinces. Meanwhile I know people who have come on Z visas and been unable to convert them to RPs for various reasons - satisfied the embassy requirements to come and live/work in China, but not the local PSB office's requirements.
The schools you are applying to can give you a rough guide based on their regular dealings with the local PSB office, but crap changes so routinely that even the FAOs experience from last month may now be outdated.
The rules are too fluid and subjectively applied for anyone to give you much more than a guess with the info you've provided. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Getting it Done |
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| Toast wrote: |
A teacher at my school (Wuxi, Jiangsu) last week converted an L visa over to a 1 year residence permit without needing to go to Hong Kong to change it to a Z visa first. I don't think that is common anymore - certainly not in the more "desirable" provinces. Meanwhile I know people who have come on Z visas and been unable to convert them to RPs for various reasons - satisfied the embassy requirements to come and live/work in China, but not the local PSB office's requirements.
The rules are too fluid and subjectively applied for anyone to give you much more than a guess with the info you've provided. |
Nutty, isn't it? Fluid is right.
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| there are provisions in the regs to allow conversion from an L to a resident permit...I believe it states in certain circumstances.... |
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