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Shroob
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In all seriousness, I bet it's nothing. It will be less than 5 minutes and a involve someone asking you, 'Do you want to work here next year?'
If it's anything more than that I'll be very surprised. |
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The_Kong
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Shroob wrote: |
In all seriousness, I bet it's nothing. It will be less than 5 minutes and a involve someone asking you, 'Do you want to work here next year?'
If it's anything more than that I'll be very surprised. |
Exactly. |
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: "All Foreign Teacher Should Have Interview This Wee |
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| Toast wrote: |
| ...with the leaders of the language department, DOS' and Foreign Affairs Officers to explain why they should have their contract renewed for the next term. Interview at 1.30pm on Tuesday. |
…and what no one else commented on is the lack of professionalism in making the announcement via text message and sending it out a mere day before the actual interview date…
…but then again…whatcanyado?
T.I.C.
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| Irrelevant for me as I'll be moving on, but whatever naughty boy has been giving the students English names like Willy Wonka, Genuis, Fungus and Beatlemania might be in a world of Chinese public W.C plops. |
Comedy Glod! (fat_chris, 2014)
Those names right there are the gold standard in English names for Chinese!
Heck, I think one of those students should have the English name Comedy Gold--his/her nickname can be "Goldie".
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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fat_chris
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Oh man, I really can't stop laughing now--naming a student "Beatlemania".
Comedy Gold!
The post of the week award hereby goes to toast--Willy Wonka, Beatlemania, Fungus, Genuis (not even spelled correctly)!
Oh, that's too much.
Warm regards,
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maxand
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| fat_chris wrote: |
Oh man, I really can't stop laughing now--naming a student "Beatlemania".
Comedy Gold!
The post of the week award hereby goes to toast--Willy Wonka, Beatlemania, Fungus, Genuis (not even spelled correctly)!
Oh, that's too much.
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF7OnW4XDck |
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davelister
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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It's unreasonable to have to explain why I should be rehired because I have been there working there every day for a year. Because I have proven that I am an asset, that I know what I am doing and that I am a good teacher. After a year, if you don't know this....what are you doing?
I have been teaching overseas for over ten years now. I do in fact also hold a department head/supervisory position. I would never imagine asking my staff to make their case for being rehired. Why? Because I do my job as an administrator. I observe classes. I ask for unit and lesson plans. I check student assessment. I talk to students and teachers to make sure all is well. I work with my staff to make sure they know what is required from them, and give them the help they need to be successful. I know full well way ahead of contract time who should be rehired and who was a mistake to hire in the first place. I do make cuts every year. I don't make them sing and dance for contracts. |
Totally agree with The Big Worm on the above!
If they wanted me to make a song and dance over it, it'd have to be If you don't know me by now by Simply Red
If you don't know me by now
You will never never never know me
All the things
That we've been through
You should understand me
Like I understand you
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Zang_Lajiao
Joined: 19 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Got a similar situation, where I've been asked if I want to renew my contract. They have said that they want to renew it, but it is the Foreign Language School's final decision.
I have merely told them that I would could consider it, but in reality I have 2 offers (teaching and non-teaching) that would be paying me far more than what the university can offer.
Another strange thing is that other teachers have not been asked or have just been told that their contract is not going to get renewed when they asked the FAO.
What I have avoided doing is blatantly telling them that they are bunch of incompetent (insert preferred curse here) people and making them lose face, in order to hopefully allow things to go smoothly. Yes, there's things that I don't like about the place and I feel that I'm getting judged by useless unprofessional people that I feel have no real right to judge me. But as long as they pay my salary and don't give me any trouble, it is better for me to keep my mouth shut. |
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SledgeCleaver
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This, in turn, reminds me of a video I watched by a woman who was once the head of the Black Panthers, where she talked about schools and the achievement gap. She compared all the systems of "accountability," high-stakes testing, and the "cram-style" nature of many schools that attempt to give poor, black, or Latino students a chance to achieve, to private schools like Phillips Exeter. |
Anything presented by the B.P.'s was and still is discounted in that fraudulent charity work funds presented as the "Breakfast Program" which was diverted to the purchase of Weapons and the fashion styling of Eldridge Cleaver and his Eldridge "Cock of the Walk" deParis Pants.
http://uproxx.com/webculture/2013/08/meet-eldridge-cleaver-1968-presidential-candidate-and-*beep*-pants-inventor/
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1. She headed it around the late 70s as I recall.
2. I tend to listen to what people say before I make a final judgment on their credibility. She was speaking as an individual not for the BPs, and she did know a lot about inner-city education.
3. If you had seen the inner-city education system in the USA, I'm not so sure you would be so quick to bash people who are feeding kids. Similarly, a picture of a dude in weird pants is not proof of embezzlement. I don't mean to be too argumentative or hijack the thread, but it seems to me this "the BP were just a bunch of terrorists" meme is mostly sensationalistic media baloney meant to thrill and titillate suburbanites. My two cents would be that they haven't gotten a fair shake in pop culture, so you've got to dig deeper if you want to see the shades of grey in the whole story.
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| That is also part of the reason businesses like a low minimum wage. It's not just because it's less money going out the door: it also keeps people scared for their livelihood, thus they work harder and can be terrorized more effectively. |
Looks like a higher wage would be what most employees don't want to lose but a min wage job, say a Mc Minimum Job would be easier to leave due to the abundance of low wage jobs and the high turnover of these jobs. |
Right, the sword cuts both ways. Trader Joe's and Costco in the USA (supermarkets, for non-USians) both pay decent wages, which they say helps them recruit better people and keep them happy (resulting in better customer service and productivity), and also reduces turnover (thus reducing training costs, mistakes due to inexperience, and other disadvantages of high-turnover businesses). Costco is doing quite well against Sam's Club (a big-box Wal-Mart subsidiary) for example, which is arguably not easy when you pay an entry-level wage that is literally double your biggest competitor.
From that example alone, it's pretty clear that employee loyalty is a huge factor in productivity and performance, and I think this would be especially true in fields that require a bit of caring and creativity such as teaching. But the "control"-type management style certainly happens in education, especially at language mills. They have high turnover, but a lot of them make a killing as well, because they control their employees effectively enough to create a "product" of sorts, which sells.
As this type of management style filters into public education in the USA, it's also resulting in higher turnover. Turnover and burnout for new teachers is getting very high (I've read as high as 60% within 3 years in some districts) and in many cases experienced teachers (or teachers in technical subjects like math/science) are leaving the system for new jobs. Lots of people are fed up, tired of being underappreciated, tired of all the testing and micro-managing. Also, I think this "management style" problem doesn't actually just apply to the principals and administrators. Nowadays, the kids practically run the asylum, many parents are "new-agey" and will support/believe the kid even when the kid is a lazy bass who is lying, many parents themselves cannot instill discipline (too busy with their own problems, if nothing else), and teachers are just constantly on the defensive. In short, as discipline and respect for authority erodes, children are able to "manage up," as the saying goes. Being managed in two directions like this definitely ups the stress levels. |
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SledgeCleaver
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Another strange thing is that other teachers have not been asked or have just been told that their contract is not going to get renewed when they asked the FAO. |
I'm actually curious about how often this happens. It seems clear that people around here think that having a native-English pulse and a forged diploma is sufficient qualifications for lots of jobs, that lots of universities have trouble with recruitment. The low standards likely result in a lot of deadbeats getting hired, but I suppose they also mean that a deadbeat is reasonably likely to keep a job, unless he or she is blatantly incompetent in whatever way. How often do teachers actually get fired or at least not receive new contract offers at universities? |
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Shroob
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Zang_Lajiao wrote: |
Another strange thing is that other teachers have not been asked or have just been told that their contract is not going to get renewed when they asked the FAO. |
I'm actually curious about how often this happens. It seems clear that people around here think that having a native-English pulse and a forged diploma is sufficient qualifications for lots of jobs, that lots of universities have trouble with recruitment. The low standards likely result in a lot of deadbeats getting hired, but I suppose they also mean that a deadbeat is reasonably likely to keep a job, unless he or she is blatantly incompetent in whatever way. How often do teachers actually get fired or at least not receive new contract offers at universities? |
Rarely. Even if they are incompetent. I've only ever known one person not to have a contract renewed, and they had a mental breakdown, stopped taking medication, ran naked round the campus, then later tried to push another FT off a balcony.
It all depends on the standards of the university. Some do take great care in recruitment and what their teachers do. Whereas others are satisfied with a body in the room. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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If they wanted me to make a song and dance over it, it'd have to be If you don't know me by now by Simply Red
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The BIG hit was by Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes (with Teddy Pendergrass)in 1972. |
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NoBillyNO
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| If you had seen the inner-city education system in the USA, I'm not so sure you would be so quick to bash people who are feeding kids. |
Yeah I worked and grew up in the US inner city....and it is about the diversion of funds donated to feed kids and then being used to provide weapons... and the ad was just a sellout of a revolutionary character...BP's lose creditability.... |
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SledgeCleaver
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| If you had seen the inner-city education system in the USA, I'm not so sure you would be so quick to bash people who are feeding kids. |
Yeah I worked and grew up in the US inner city....and it is about the diversion of funds donated to feed kids and then being used to provide weapons... and the ad was just a sellout of a revolutionary character...BP's lose creditability.... |
I suppose I shouldn't have assumed... good to see it's possible to discuss something political without a lot of kicking and screaming. I'm probably ornery because a few friends/acquaintances on Facebook keep posting all sorts of idiocies about the Ukraine crisis, putting me in the awkward position of defending Putin and the not-so-awkward position of advising that we should probably avoid a shooting war with Russia. |
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NoBillyNO
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No worries... I have no political reasoning just opinions.... and while "in another country" seemed to be the whining of a angry young black man, Soul on Ice was somewhat of an enjoyable read...Cleaver's attack on the white middle class could be seen as egoistic in his choice of fashion daring and certainly his writings and his attire were used as a phallic symbol. Some readers would venture he somehow equated rape of white women as a revolutionary act. Much like the KKK, when organizations turn to vile practice or involve those who have engaged in a vile practice, they simply lose creditability .... an he was the Minister of Information.
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What we're saying today is that you're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem. |
A quote that became the cornerstone of live performances of the MC5...Fred Sonic Smith ..... all in all even considering their politics.. great band |
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Banner41
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:40 am Post subject: |
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I think that it's great for a school to give you an opportunity to sell yourself to them again. I would totally take advantage of the situation and show them other job offers. (Specific concrete offers) You don't always get a chance to come in and plead your case for a raise. If you were good, ask for a raise. If you were mediocre, ask what you can do to improve. (If you want to stay)
Too many people get butt hurt too easily. We always complain about the lack of interest in the schools about having quality teachers and students so when they try to fix this problem people are all up in arms.
I have had a raise every single year that I have been in China. I have never settled for the same deal from one year to the next. Prove your worth and get paid......complain and get tossed. Face time with the boss is valuable to me.
Again, see this as an opportunity rather than a punishment.
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