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2buckets · Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 515 Location: Middle East

What's the big deal about 126 deaths? Sometimes hundreds, even thousands die during the Haj from being trampled to death in their zeal to reach certain holy places. Also many die from heart attacks, strokes, heat exhaustion, (especially in the upcoming summer haj), etc

In-Sha-Allah, the will of God.

Beside if you die while making the Haj, you are in a "state of grace" and you take the express to الجنة , (paradise), where the 72 virgins are waiting with bated breath, so what's the problem.

When I worked in Jeddah, the company warned us to be careful about the "Jeddah jumpers", Hajjis who would jump in front of cars on the highways in order to die during the Haj. So dying is not a worry for Hajjis.

However it certainly is a worry for the countries where the millions of Hajjis are returning to, especially since these countries mostly have poor health infrastructures.

gorkomi · Joined: 24 Aug 2009 Posts: 142

I did not misinterpret. Everything is God's Will. And man has free will to take his place in God's Will. And there is plenty of stupidity among men to insure that God's Will continues to include the transmission of plagues, countless preventable deaths, and Lady Gaga on the Billboard Top 10.

jaffa · Joined: 25 Oct 2012 Posts: 403

They will never cancel haj as it's the country's 2nd biggest money spinner.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Those who suggest that Hajj should be cancelled reveal how little they understand the Faith ! (That includes those who have Muslim names and would consider themselves in the ranks of the faithful -like that girl who wrote the piece in the Guardian !)

trapezius · Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 6:13 pm Post subject:

2buckets · Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 515 Location: Middle East

(suicide is one of the biggest sins in Islam, and a guaranteed ticket to Hell, as per Islamic law)

trapezius:

I am aware of that, but sometimes people rationalize their actions. The jumpers were mostly from poor third world countries, (as are most Hajjis), and have an ignorance level difficult to fathom.

veiledsentiments · Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA

This is common around the Gulf... happened regularly in Abu Dhabi when I was there. It was to get the blood money for their family back in... mostly Pathans.

VS

PC Parrot · Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 3:42 am Post subject:

plumpy nut · Joined: 12 Mar 2011 Posts: 1652

2buckets · Joined: 14 Dec 2010 Posts: 515 Location: Middle East

plumpy:

as I said:

"However it certainly is a worry for the countries where the millions of Hajjis are returning to, especially since these countries mostly have poor health infrastructures."

trapezius · Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 6:56 pm Post subject:

What's the big deal?

The big deal is that trampling, heart attacks, stroke, and heat exhaustion are not contagious, but viral diseases are.

It is a worry not just for the countries pilgrims will be returning to, but also for this country and indeed, the whole world.

Good news is that the virus is not easy to pass on to others. Bad news is that the mortality rate is very high. (comapring to SARS)

Sheik Yerbuti · Joined: 02 Dec 2012 Posts: 105 Location: the promised land

The veterans will remember SARS, especially if you were in China , HK,
or East Asia. Scared the bejesus out of people, and health planners. I
managed to get some very cheap plane tickets during that time , but I
believe MERS will be worse and have a more prolonged impact with major
disruption. One from a cat, the other probably from a camel.

Grendal · Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 1:40 pm Post subject:

veiledsentiments · Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA

The problem is not the "126 deaths." It is the fact that thus far, 1 of 3 who get it, die. Not good odds...

And yes, the cancellation of the Haj would not be for deaths at the Haj, but for the danger of those that carry it back to their home countries - spreading it all around the world.

VS

SirAristede · Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 11:41 pm Post subject:

Other countries, like Kuwait, are establishing early detection methods for MERS. While the majority of cases are still being reported in Saudi Arabia, more cases across the GCC are being reported: