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whitehouse
Joined: 06 Mar 2008
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British universities would highly inept in choosing lectures (lecturers?)
They probably employ some native speakers who have difficulty in stringing a simple English sentence together but profess intimate knowledge of how things work.China is full of people who are full of it and they proliferate on sites like this. It is easy. |
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| They probably employ some native speakers who have difficulty in stringing a simple English sentence together but profess intimate knowledge of how things work.China is full of people who are full of it and they proliferate on sites like this. It is easy. |
With 30 post beakin off.. u should know |
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whitehouse
Joined: 06 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| Only a complete twit with no simple minded research ability would regard 30 posts in 6 years as being anything other than extremely sparse. Because you are unable to calculate this it is one every 10 weeks, 5 a year. Proving my point about some of the foreigners , in fact a lot of foreigners, in China being full of it. Don't forget lectURERS! |
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Mikeylikesit114
Joined: 21 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
There's no great demand for English-speaking math and science teachers, hence the pay scale.
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Huh???
Take a look at the jobs section of Craigslist Shanghai. I've seen multiple Math, Science, Business, and Econ positions paying about 25,000rmb a month. Ditto for echinacities. Seems a bit higher than the esl payscale. Also Chinese schools advertise for subject teachers on tes.co.uk. These numbers are just what is being advertised, and employers may actually be willing to pay more.
It's not all in Shanghai either, I've seen positions in Xiamen, Guangzhou, Wuhan, Xian all in the same ballpark. |
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:14 am Post subject: |
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so your thinly dispersed and scattered
reckon your right Whitehouse, I stand corrected... |
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jimpellow
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I used to teach A level Economics and Business in China and hold a Masters in Economics (from a very prestigious school which tickles the Chinese testes almost as much as my own) and possess business consulting experience and such. I get bombarded everyday with Chinese idiots trying to recruit me back to China. Save a small percentage, you can pretty much tell that they and the schools are trying to skim the initial offered salary as much as they can.
I won't go back now as I have a serious girlfriend here in the Philippines and have a very good Internet income, but I would be real hesitant to go back with the proliferation of pianzi's, scammers and skimmers which have taken over the quickly growing university prep programs, which as an aside, are pretty much all scams now in themselves.
Asians can't seem to see the big picture in terms of normal supply-demand laws as they are solely focused on their own pockets.
I worked three months in a Korean school here in the Philippines that catered mostly to Korean and Japanese business people and university students. They were happy with me and I knew how long it took them to find a qualified Business English teacher. But when the three month "probation" ended, they started to dick with the contractual raise so I chose not to play the game and professionally put in my notice.
Point being it is just how many of them think. The demand is huge for competent teachers in certain subject areas in China. Yet if they can't swindle one, they will just let the position go vacant.
There are positions advertised and elsewhere available which pay appropriately, but you have to weed through the crap, and still be wary of course down the line. |
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Guerciotti
Joined: 13 Feb 2009
Posts: 842
Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mikeylikesit114 wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
There's no great demand for English-speaking math and science teachers, hence the pay scale.
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Huh???
Take a look at the jobs section of Craigslist Shanghai. I've seen multiple Math, Science, Business, and Econ positions paying about 25,000rmb a month. Ditto for echinacities. Seems a bit higher than the esl payscale. Also Chinese schools advertise for subject teachers on tes.co.uk. These numbers are just what is being advertised, and employers may actually be willing to pay more.
It's not all in Shanghai either, I've seen positions in Xiamen, Guangzhou, Wuhan, Xian all in the same ballpark. |
Craigslist! Doh! I forgot about craigslist. Thanks! |
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LarssonCrew
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jim pellow has absolutely nailed it.
You know, I had a friend who ran an English teaching 'agency', parents paid him a fee to introduce a foreigner to their kid, then they'd pay the teacher per hour.
Anyways, he told the parents, 'sure I've got a white, young, American woman to play with your daughter.', who turned up? A black guy from Ghana, the parents were furious.
They will nickle and dime.
How many adverts show 'airfare of 5000 paid'. I'm sorry? I don't want to go back to the UK on a Polish airline, I want a proper ticket. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Mikeylikesit114 wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
There's no great demand for English-speaking math and science teachers, hence the pay scale.
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Huh???
Take a look at the jobs section of Craigslist Shanghai. I've seen multiple Math, Science, Business, and Econ positions paying about 25,000rmb a month. Ditto for echinacities. Seems a bit higher than the esl payscale. Also Chinese schools advertise for subject teachers on tes.co.uk. These numbers are just what is being advertised, and employers may actually be willing to pay more.
It's not all in Shanghai either, I've seen positions in Xiamen, Guangzhou, Wuhan, Xian all in the same ballpark. |
Are they legit? Can they LEGALLY hire a foreigner?
I think we're talking about two different things. |
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jimpellow
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
| Mikeylikesit114 wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
There's no great demand for English-speaking math and science teachers, hence the pay scale.
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Huh???
Take a look at the jobs section of Craigslist Shanghai. I've seen multiple Math, Science, Business, and Econ positions paying about 25,000rmb a month. Ditto for echinacities. Seems a bit higher than the esl payscale. Also Chinese schools advertise for subject teachers on tes.co.uk. These numbers are just what is being advertised, and employers may actually be willing to pay more.
It's not all in Shanghai either, I've seen positions in Xiamen, Guangzhou, Wuhan, Xian all in the same ballpark. |
Are they legit? Can they LEGALLY hire a foreigner?
I think we're talking about two different things. |
I would be pretty sure that the OP is talking about the university prep programs exploding across the country. |
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Timer
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think that any of the forum members who possess CELTAs and have worked for language schools for years agree that their jobs are a joke. |
I have a CELTA and I have worked in 4 different universities within China. Foreign teachers are simply there to make the school money. The school doesn't take them seriously, the students don't take them seriously, the Chinese teachers don't take them seriously. Foreign teachers have almost no power and are often left in the dark regarding decisions and just about everything else about the school. I've met some teachers who have been at their school for more than 5 years and despite all their ass kissing they are still treated as being lower than anyone else.
This doesn't mean you can't take your job seriously, I do and many other teachers do too, but don't think anyone else does. |
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thechangling
Joined: 11 Apr 2013
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| Timer wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
| I don't think that any of the forum members who possess CELTAs and have worked for language schools for years agree that their jobs are a joke. |
I have a CELTA and I have worked in 4 different universities within China. Foreign teachers are simply there to make the school money. The school doesn't take them seriously, the students don't take them seriously, the Chinese teachers don't take them seriously. Foreign teachers have almost no power and are often left in the dark regarding decisions and just about everything else about the school. I've met some teachers who have been at their school for more than 5 years and despite all their ass kissing they are still treated as being lower than anyone else.
This doesn't mean you can't take your job seriously, I do and many other teachers do too, but don't think anyone else does. |
That's just extremely demoralising to hear the brutal truth of it put like that. |
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Javelin of Radiance
Joined: 01 Jul 2009
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Location: The West
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Timer wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
| I don't think that any of the forum members who possess CELTAs and have worked for language schools for years agree that their jobs are a joke. |
I have a CELTA and I have worked in 4 different universities within China. Foreign teachers are simply there to make the school money. |
Foreign teachers don't make money for universities. Tuition fees at universities are fixed whether the student has a foreign teacher or not. Privately owned language schools on the other hand make more money if they have foreign teachers. |
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Bud Powell
Joined: 11 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Timer wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
| I don't think that any of the forum members who possess CELTAs and have worked for language schools for years agree that their jobs are a joke. |
I have a CELTA and I have worked in 4 different universities within China. Foreign teachers are simply there to make the school money. The school doesn't take them seriously, the students don't take them seriously, the Chinese teachers don't take them seriously. Foreign teachers have almost no power and are often left in the dark regarding decisions and just about everything else about the school. I've met some teachers who have been at their school for more than 5 years and despite all their ass kissing they are still treated as being lower than anyone else.
This doesn't mean you can't take your job seriously, I do and many other teachers do too, but don't think anyone else does. |
This is true in many instances. Many FTs walk into a job in China with a repertoire of jokes and methods for killing time. The students resent it, and the Chinese teachers resent it.
At my first Chinese university, I was hired late, so I had to walk behind the idiots who filled in for me. It was pure hell for the first few weeks because one of the teachers sang Happy Birthday for three classes, then declared the rest of the classes study halls. When i walked in, I was regarded with absolute contempt.
When it became clear that I was there to accomplish something, the students took notice. I didn't think that the department noticed, but it did. The following semester, I taught upperclassmen English majors as well as freshmen. That semester, I got a compliment on my teaching from a Chinese teacher whom I had never even seen before.
At every school since then, I've been recognized for my work because I take my work seriously. (I still must overcome the bad precedents set by those who preceded me).The last school where I taught offered me a five-year contract. The FT who takes his work seriously shows up on-time every time, and presents a cheerful and positive attitude will be recognized and regarded seriously.
It's a hard row to hoe, for sure, and every FT (whether he be new or seasoned) will experience moments of exasperation. The FT who goofs off in class, spends the majority of his time singing and telling jokes in class is merely setting the stage for adversity for those who follow him.
CAVEAT: Sometimes, no matter how good one is in the class room, he won't be kept in the loop. It's so important that one get to know an English-speaking faculty member. It's difficult, I know.
Anyone who does a good job at one school for five years but still receives poor treatment or is continually ignored has overstayed his usefulness. If, by the second semester, NOBODY in the school makes an effort to give feedback or to keep him informed, it's time to pack up and head elsewhere. Sometimes the school culture is so anti-foreign teacher that there is no way to overcome it. |
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