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natsume



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Location: Chongqing, China

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know you've been in Japan too long when...

In my fifth year in Japan, I was watching an episode of Seinfeld where Elaine walks in to Jerry's apartment and sits on the couch, and then animatedly pulls her boots up and sits on them. On the coach. I was repulsed. She was just walking on the streets of New York. I think we can all agree, probably some bacteria/some nasty funk on those boots.

When I returned home to the states, after five years in Japan, the last two with no trip home, wearing shoes inside just felt...wrong. I still don't wear them in my own apartment.

I didn't used to be this way.
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marley'sghost



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel a bit strange wearing shoes in houses, even when I'm back in the States.
And don't get me started on laundry. Those frickin' laundry bags! My wife has a certain bag for a certain group of laundry. All the underwear in one bag, the hand towels in another.....and then we throw everything in the machine and wash it all together with used bath water.
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2buckets



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, do those frickin" bags isolate their contents from the other stuff in the machine?

Sorry, but used bath water doesn't sound to good.

Oh, I forgot Japanese bathwater should be pretty clean if everyone does the proper pre-bath wash off.

I'll never forget when a friend visited from the US, long hair, giant beard, I showed how to completely wash before getting into the (public) bath. Then he got up on the rim and dived into the bath. The wave practically washed the Japanese over the rim. Didn't matter, they got up and out immediately.
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2buckets wrote:
My wife, (Chinese), insists on washing socks separately from other laundry, and underwear separately from other laundry.


Oh yead, I read about how many of the young girl's in Japan tell their mums not to wash their clothes with dads clothes. They say they dont wnat oiyaji shu on their clothes. Shocked

I asked my wife and she said it is true. If I have a daughter my wife will wash the clothes separetely !!! Surprised No WAY!! I said thats like encouragaing my daughter to be ashemad of me!!!! Surprised Shocked Evil or Very Mad
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Teacher wrote:
2buckets wrote:
My wife, (Chinese), insists on washing socks separately from other laundry, and underwear separately from other laundry.


Oh yead, I read about how many of the young girl's in Japan tell their mums not to wash their clothes with dads clothes. They say they dont wnat oiyaji shu on their clothes. Shocked

I asked my wife and she said it is true. If I have a daughter my wife will wash the clothes separetely !!! Surprised No WAY!! I said thats like encouragaing my daughter to be ashemad of me!!!! Surprised Shocked Evil or Very Mad
No offense to the Japanese but that's silly and impractical. It's also a waste of water.
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jtea



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssjup81 wrote:
No offense to the Japanese but that's silly and impractical. It's also a waste of water.


This isn't true. I don't know about everyone else but when I wash my own clothes, it's already a load of laundry. There's no room to throw my parents clothes in there even if I wanted to.

I'm sure my mom didn't wash my clothes as a kid with their clothes for partially the same reason but it was also because 1) there's no room and 2) it makes folding laundry easier. You don't have to sort through whose clothes is whose.

If you're washing your clothes when you've only worn a few then yea...it's probably a waste of water if you do it constantly but most people wait until there's either a full load or until they need clean clothes.

Cool Teacher wrote:
I asked my wife and she said it is true. If I have a daughter my wife will wash the clothes separetely !!! Surprised No WAY!! I said thats like encouragaing my daughter to be ashemad of me!!!! Surprised Shocked Evil or Very Mad


I don't know where you get this idea... -_- Of everyone I know, no one is ashamed of their father because their clothes are washed separately. I've never even heard of such a big deal over laundry being made until now. Is it that important to have everyone's clothes in one big pile? Seems like more work to me.
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Maitoshi



Joined: 04 May 2014
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Is it that important to have everyone's clothes in one big pile? Seems like more work to me."

Exactly!
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssjup81 wrote:
Cool Teacher wrote:
No offense to the Japanese but that's silly and impractical. It's also a waste of water.


The Japanese love to waste water, from tons of washing to watering the dirt when it is dry. Then they use used bath water for laundry, which always gets me, as it is inconsistent with how they work.
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2buckets



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is "oiyaji shu"?
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Pitarou



Joined: 16 Nov 2009
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Location: Narita, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2buckets wrote:
What is "oiyaji shu"?

Cooties, basically.
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ssjup81



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Location: Adachi-ku, Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtea wrote:
ssjup81 wrote:
No offense to the Japanese but that's silly and impractical. It's also a waste of water.


This isn't true. I don't know about everyone else but when I wash my own clothes, it's already a load of laundry. There's no room to throw my parents clothes in there even if I wanted to.

I'm sure my mom didn't wash my clothes as a kid with their clothes for partially the same reason but it was also because 1) there's no room and 2) it makes folding laundry easier. You don't have to sort through whose clothes is whose.

If you're washing your clothes when you've only worn a few then yea...it's probably a waste of water if you do it constantly but most people wait until there's either a full load or until they need clean clothes.

Cool Teacher wrote:
I asked my wife and she said it is true. If I have a daughter my wife will wash the clothes separetely !!! Surprised No WAY!! I said thats like encouragaing my daughter to be ashemad of me!!!! Surprised Shocked Evil or Very Mad


I don't know where you get this idea... -_- Of everyone I know, no one is ashamed of their father because their clothes are washed separately. I've never even heard of such a big deal over laundry being made until now. Is it that important to have everyone's clothes in one big pile? Seems like more work to me.
I've never thought much of it. Back home I always did the laundry once a week and have done so since I was about 9. The only way I separated them was by color. White, dark colors, light colors. I did the laundry for my parents, grandmother, and myself altogether. No biggie.

Sorting wasn't a problem either. The only set of clothes I had to fold and put away was mine. Everyone put away their own laundry.

I still find sorting through laundry easy, although granted it was me, my mother, grandmother, and father. It's super easy to tell whose clothes belong to each person.
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rtm



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2buckets wrote:
What is "oiyaji shu"?

i.e., karei shuu (加齢臭), or the smell of aging/old people.

Scientific info here: http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v116/n4/full/5601027a.html
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rtm wrote:
2buckets wrote:
What is "oiyaji shu"?

i.e., karei shuu (加齢臭), or the smell of aging/old people.

Scientific info here: http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v116/n4/full/5601027a.html


Wow thanks for the scientific deatails. Smile

Though I hoped it was an ubran myth. Sad

Cool
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Vince



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the psychological/spiritual feelings about inside and outside things, but berating somebody new to the culture isn't the most constructive way to make the point.

I too have gotten a few outbursts from my wife about such things, and I was quick to tell her that I appreciated the cultural help but not the tone. It's a work in progress.

My clothes are washed separately. Even when the loads are small, it's still her clothes and our son's clothes, the demarcation line, and my clothes.
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2buckets



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The headspace gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS) method probably detects odor far beyond what the human nose can.

Note that study was done by a cosmetic company that want to sell you perfume and such.
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