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scot47
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| I know many who are caught in this trap. |
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HLJHLJ
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
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| Marriage to a UK citizen has not been a route to citizenship since the last changes in UK Nationality Law. Marriage to a UK citizen does not even guarantee that you can enter the UK ! |
True, you need to have provable disposable income of just under 19,000 GBP p.a. Not everybody can do this and thousands of legitimately married couples are suffering as a result. |
And meeting the requirements only allows you to apply for the visa, it guarantees nothing.
I have a British friend who has been married to a non-British man for about 5 years. They used to live in the UK but have been living in his home country for 3 years or so. She got a job in the UK that paid more than enough to meet the regulations. Then discovered she would have to take the job and work until she had payslips showing 3 months of full pay before her husband could apply for a visa. The application takes 6-9 months so the whole process takes up to a year. Also they would have to submit their passports once they made the application, so neither of them would be able to travel for 6-9 months.
Funnily enough she turned the job down and they are staying here. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| scot47 wrote: |
| Marriage to a UK citizen has not been a route to citizenship since the last changes in UK Nationality Law. Marriage to a UK citizen does not even guarantee that you can enter the UK ! |
True, you need to have provable disposable income of just under 19,000 GBP p.a. Not everybody can do this and thousands of legitimately married couples are suffering as a result. |
I have a couple of friends who did this because they didn't make enough, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surinder_Singh_route |
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simon44
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Marriage usually does NOT guarantee citizenship but it often comes with residence allowing most of the same privileges (other than voting).
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Marriage to a Thai citizen provides almost zero benefit down the road to citizenship, other than being able to tick ONE of the many boxes that are required before you are allowed to apply.
But if you marry a Thai lady, it can provide you with a lifetime of demands for money for sick grandma, sick buffalo, sick boyfriend, insane jealous rages if you stay out 5 minutes after bedtime, and access to a huge collection of Hello Kitty toys and cuddly teddy bears that any 5-year old girl would be proud of.
Simon (very happily divorced and living with a ladyboy called Big Porn) |
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HLJHLJ
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Location: Ecuador
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| MuscatGary wrote: |
| scot47 wrote: |
| Marriage to a UK citizen has not been a route to citizenship since the last changes in UK Nationality Law. Marriage to a UK citizen does not even guarantee that you can enter the UK ! |
True, you need to have provable disposable income of just under 19,000 GBP p.a. Not everybody can do this and thousands of legitimately married couples are suffering as a result. |
I have a couple of friends who did this because they didn't make enough, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surinder_Singh_route |
Interesting NG! Thanks! |
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MuscatGary
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Location: Flying around the ME...
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| The recent UK election results indicate that immigration in general is going to become a much tougher process. |
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wonderingjoesmith
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Marriage usually does NOT guarantee citizenship but it often comes with residence allowing most of the same privileges (other than voting).
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Marriage to a Thai citizen provides almost zero benefit down the road to citizenship, other than being able to tick ONE of the many boxes that are required before you are allowed to apply.
But if you marry a Thai lady, it can provide you with a lifetime of demands for money for sick grandma, sick buffalo, sick boyfriend, insane jealous rages if you stay out 5 minutes after bedtime, and access to a huge collection of Hello Kitty toys and cuddly teddy bears that any 5-year old girl would be proud of.
Simon (very happily divorced and living with a ladyboy called Big Porn) |
Seems Thailand and China may not be much different after all.
I'd give up my American citizenship but who'd i marry then? |
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Shroob
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RussianWinter
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| It might perhaps hasten a decision to get married, but I wouldn't do it just for the citizenship - it would have to be someone I would want to marry even if we were from the same country. |
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revilo
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:45 pm Post subject: Another advantage of extra citizenship |
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Banking rules from the U.S. FATCA require foreign banks to report deposits fm American citizens. There is fear that foreign banks would rather not deal with American depositors and subsequent FATCA paperwork.
However, if you walk in with a non-U.S. passport and say, "I'd like to deposit $10,000," the banks will say, "Please sit down and help yourself to our tea."
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Sure, but what about the other person's intentions? What if he/she is also desperate to get out of a lousy socio-economic, political, or personal situation in his/her own country and is looking for an American, Brit, Canadian, etc. to marry in order to "reap" the benefits of citizenship in a country that offers a better life and opportunities? |
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Shroob
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| Sure, but what about the other person's intentions? What if he/she is also desperate to get out of a lousy socio-economic, political, or personal situation in his/her own country and is looking for an American, Brit, Canadian, etc. to marry in order to "reap" the benefits of citizenship in a country that offers a better life and opportunities? |
Plenty of examples of this. Just have to be careful and know what you're getting into. Even then things can change - I think it was on these boards somebody posted about how a man was dating a perfectly reasonable woman but then changed when they got married. She was just putting on an act - a damn good one for a number of years. |
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| Sure, but what about the other person's intentions? What if he/she is also desperate to get out of a lousy socio-economic, political, or personal situation in his/her own country and is looking for an American, Brit, Canadian, etc. to marry in order to "reap" the benefits of citizenship in a country that offers a better life and opportunities? |
ns, this was indeed the very first thing that came to mind for me.
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Shroob wrote: |
| Plenty of examples of this. Just have to be careful and know what you're getting into. Even then things can change - I think it was on these boards somebody posted about how a man was dating a perfectly reasonable woman but then changed when they got married. She was just putting on an act - a damn good one for a number of years. |
Shroob. The Dating in China thread--the post from jaffa:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=106313&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
Warm regards,
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Shroob
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| fat_chris wrote: |
| Shroob wrote: |
| Plenty of examples of this. Just have to be careful and know what you're getting into. Even then things can change - I think it was on these boards somebody posted about how a man was dating a perfectly reasonable woman but then changed when they got married. She was just putting on an act - a damn good one for a number of years. |
Shroob. The Dating in China thread--the post from jaffa:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=106313&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
Yeah that's the one. Some interesting reading, almost enough to put you off dating. Almost...
Something that most people haven't considered is that the OP asked is if we (I'm assuming foreign English teachers from western nations) would change our citizenship... negating the possibility of the other half being a 'visa-seeker'. |
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