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rtm
Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 1003 Location: US
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| I've always wondered why more males stay in Japan for marriage than females...unless the females just don't hang around forums/internet all that much (either that or japanese females > japanese males) o_o |
Percentage-wise, my experience is the opposite. Of my foreign female friends married to Japanese men, nearly 100% of them stay in Japan permanently, while a decent portion of my male friends married to Japanese women leave Japan. I think, in general, Japanese women might be more willing to move abroad with their foreign spouse than Japanese men.
In raw numbers, sure, there are more men who stay in Japan because of marriage, but that's because there are more foreign men who marry Japanese women than the opposite. Maybe your question was about why foreign men marry Japanese women. rather than about staying in Japan? |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| rtm wrote: |
| but that's because there are more foreign men who marry Japanese women than the opposite. |
Actually, Japanese men marry out at higher rates than Japanese women.
Check out table 1-37 here:
http://www.mhlw.go.jp/english/database/db-hh/1-2.html
This surprised me when I first saw the data. I live in the Western/English bubble and miss the large numbers of Japanese men marrying women from the other Asian nations. |
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jtea
Joined: 22 Apr 2014 Posts: 69
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| rtm wrote: |
| Maybe your question was about why foreign men marry Japanese women. rather than about staying in Japan? |
Oh, no...I am/was curious about why people stay or leave Japan for whatever reason. Marriage is always one of the biggest reasons for staying and one thing I've noticed is a lot of males stay because they marry but I don't often see many females say they stayed for marriage whether its on this forum or somewhere else. |
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Vince
Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 559 Location: U.S.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| My wife and I left when we found out that we were going to have a child. It was the right choice at the time, but several things have been pulling me back to Japan. |
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teacheratlarge
Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 192 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:08 am Post subject: |
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It's true about the Asian element. The majority of Japanese males marry Asians: Korean, Chinese, Filipino... so the few Japanese males you see married to Westerners are a small blip.
And then if they are marrying Russians, what are they getting (not a Westerner, not an Asian, right)? |
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kzjohn
Joined: 30 Apr 2014 Posts: 277
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Another reason to stay--some great cycling in so many parts of the country. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| kzjohn wrote: |
| Another reason to stay--some great cycling in so many parts of the country. |
Don't you find it rather hilly? |
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stumptowny
Joined: 29 May 2011 Posts: 310
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:12 am Post subject: |
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reasons for staying:
food, work is plentiful, life is easy.....
get home at 2 - 4pm..
financially. I have investments and they are taxed (back home) based on my foreign income here... so making peanuts for a salary in japan saves me thousands in taxes. it's a remarkable tax shelter.
reasons for leaving:
I think about this less and less. I have resigned myself to, home is home and it aint going anywhere. I have never been homesick, just not sure if I'd stick around japan for the long haul.
fast food, real deodorant stick, working standards that protect workers, salary raises, decisiveness in ambiguous situations, street smarts, individual thinking
nature. these people lose it for hanami. it's one tree for 2 - 3 weeks. that's it. back home we have almost year round urban nature madness, hundreds of genus/species blooming... not just one. and urban green space, parks, and actual "bike friendly" people. no one knows what this means.. and rightfully so, they are jammed onto trains..
finding a wife/ starting a family.... these women are beautiful but that's not enough.. |
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teacheratlarge
Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 192 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| stumptowny wrote: |
reasons for staying:
food, work is plentiful, life is easy.....
get home at 2 - 4pm..
financially. I have investments and they are taxed (back home) based on my foreign income here... so making peanuts for a salary in japan saves me thousands in taxes. it's a remarkable tax shelter.
reasons for leaving:
I think about this less and less. I have resigned myself to, home is home and it aint going anywhere. I have never been homesick, just not sure if I'd stick around japan for the long haul.
fast food, real deodorant stick, working standards that protect workers, salary raises, decisiveness in ambiguous situations, street smarts, individual thinking
nature. these people lose it for hanami. it's one tree for 2 - 3 weeks. that's it. back home we have almost year round urban nature madness, hundreds of genus/species blooming... not just one. and urban green space, parks, and actual "bike friendly" people. no one knows what this means.. and rightfully so, they are jammed onto trains..
finding a wife/ starting a family.... these women are beautiful but that's not enough.. |
Be careful; the tax laws changed recently in Japan, so that you should be reporting all your income (not just what you make in Japan). 2 of my colleagues got hit with this recently, owing back taxes here in Japan on foreign income. |
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kzjohn
Joined: 30 Apr 2014 Posts: 277
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| Pitarou wrote: |
| kzjohn wrote: |
| Another reason to stay--some great cycling in so many parts of the country. |
Don't you find it rather hilly? |
I'm not a climber, but the hills make it all interesting (there are plenty of "toge" if you do like that). Follow a river thru the hills, and the roads are curvy. The hills to each side make for a nice, ever-changing 3D vista. (Compare the plains of the US midwest....!)
Out in the hills there is often little/zero traffic, and the road surfaces are usually excellent |
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RM1983
Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 360
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| I enjoy teaching more and more as time goes by, and I have doubts that Ill be able to experience it in it's full potential whilst Im here. At the moment opportunities elsewhere look too shiny and rewarding to say Ill stay here forever. For now it's fun though |
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PO1
Joined: 24 May 2010 Posts: 136
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Reasons for staying:
Comfort, to be honest. I like having little to no fear of being violently attacked (although I know it happens, unfortunately). And not to sound cheesy, but going to new cities, temples, and natural spots sometimes make me feel like I'm on an adventure. I've certainly done more outdoorsy stuff here than I ever did back home. I'll never find something that can replicate my experience in Nara. All those deer just walking around is surreal.
Reasons for leaving:
I can't really say. Each person's reason for leaving a country is different. Not enough career prospects, homesickness, culture clash, etc. have been the primary reasons I've seen people leave. As with most people in this industry, sometimes you just know when your time is up. You may have a bad experience, thoughts about retirement and a pension start knocking on your head, or this feeling of treading water gets to you.
For me, if I ever leave it will be because I want to try something else, not necessarily because I feel financial pressure in any way. I'm very much an experience>finances type of person, maybe to my detriment, I don't know. I'm pretty happy though, so... |
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stumptowny
Joined: 29 May 2011 Posts: 310
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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teacheratlarge,
brokerage firms outside japan won't send tax docs (1099's) to the japanese government. they will only send documents to the IRS.... in any case, its not taxable for japan. tell your friends asap |
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kzjohn
Joined: 30 Apr 2014 Posts: 277
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| stumptowny wrote: |
teacheratlarge,
brokerage firms outside japan won't send tax docs (1099's) to the japanese government. they will only send documents to the IRS.... in any case, its not taxable for japan. tell your friends asap |
But won't the IRS send your 1040/2555, where you've declared those US assets/gains, along to Japan's tax people?
And to my understanding, Japan taxes you on worldwide income/gains, just as the US does. Gosh, I've been declaring those and paying taxes on them for many years now.
I think for your first five years in Japan you receive a "bye", and you don't have to declare foreign income/gains. But then after five years, the J-tax people may come calling. |
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Vince
Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 559 Location: U.S.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| stumptowny wrote: |
teacheratlarge,
brokerage firms outside japan won't send tax docs (1099's) to the japanese government. they will only send documents to the IRS.... in any case, its not taxable for japan. tell your friends asap |
I read that there's an information-sharing agreement in place. It doesn't necessarily happen automatically, but they will provide information to each other if asked. |
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