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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been posted all over. Smile my question for everyone who has said that the OP should be an intl school teacher, how come everyone else hasn't? I'm assuming people giving advice are TEFL teachers, why have t you gone back and put in the time to become an intl school teacher?
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Maitoshi



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess because I have been spoiled by the uni teaching schedule.
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SunShan



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, I posted this on multiple boards, which was a mistake. Please post onto Newbie forum thread 'advice on my career path', from now on.

Thanks for all your advice.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maitoshi wrote:
I guess because I have been spoiled by the uni teaching schedule.


Yep! I know some people say they're embarrassed to say they're TEFL teachers but it's all how you present yourself. I brag about my schedule and vacation and living abroad.
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, wouldn't the life of a teacher in an international school be a bit like living in a cultural bubble? For me at least, that kind of takes away the point of being in Asia.


So step outside and get involved or do things outside of school.

You make it sound like it's a prison with no contact. If you're living in a place then you're able to experience it if you want. Unless you actually are in prison. In which case, carry on.


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It´s a common stereotype that international teachers are cocooned in an ex-pat world, and TEFL teachers are out busily integrating into the community. In my experience, it´s simply not true. If you are the kind of person who is going to make the effort to integrate, you will, if you aren´t, you won´t. You meet a similar number of each in both worlds, their job title is largely irrelevant.


I don't really think its necessary for me to argue my point. Anyone with a molecule of common sense can see how the experience of a teacher at an international school is culturally and linguistically very different from a monkey (as you put it) at a regular school.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:

I don't really think its necessary for me to argue my point. Anyone with a molecule of common sense can see ...


Common sense isn't always as common, or as sensible, as people like to believe. I've worked in language schools, internationals schools and universities. I have generally found that the ethos and management of the institution has a far greater impact on the social and educational culture than the type of institution, and that in all case the similarities were far far greater than the differences.


nightsintodreams wrote:

... from a monkey (as you put it) at a regular school.


I think you are confusing me with someone else.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ wrote:
I've worked in language schools, internationals schools and universities. I have generally found that the ethos and management of the institution has a far greater impact on the social and educational culture than the type of institution, and that in all case the similarities were far far greater than the differences.


Exactly. I've worked in language schools that were run by people who knew what they were doing and international schools run by people who were incompetent.

Not every language school will be bad. Nor will every international school be good. Read the reviews on international schools review. You'll see there are a fair share of bad intl schools.
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Maitoshi



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it also blurs the lines more than just a little when so many of the Eikaiwa are opening their own "international" preschools/kindergartens. At least they are calling them this, but there doesn't seem to be much regulation at all in terms of curriculum, instruction, et cetera.
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Futureal



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The terms "international" and "preschool" don't seem to be subject to regulation, and a lot of run-of-the-mill kids' eikaiwas seem to be calling themselves for the same reasons that other eikaiwas call themselves "academy" or "institute".
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems I do have to argue my point after all.

An international school will probably use a foreign curriculum, English will be the language used in and out of classes by the vast majority of teachers and the students will either be foreign or rich Japanese brats...so...

If you're going to a country to learn about a culture and language and that is your number one priority then an international school is not your best option.

I'm sure there are many great things about working at an international school, but learning the language and culture of the country you're in is not one of them. That is common sense.
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Maitoshi



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I understand, there are Japanese language and culture courses at the elite international schools, though the primary language of instruction in math, science, etc. is English.
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Maitoshi



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:

I'm sure there are many great things about working at an international school, but learning the language and culture of the country you're in is not one of them. That is common sense.


I think most of us agree with this, but it would seem that the same would apply to those teaching EFL. The main difference is more likely that the latter will allow you more time and freedom for other pursuits, outside of work.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what position you have in EFL, but I'm the only non-Japanese person at my school. I'm surrounded by regular Japanese people and hear Japanese for pretty much eight hours a day, the walls are covered with posters in Japanese, the library and classrooms are full of books written in Japanese, the school newsletters and information are all written in Japanese, the school announcements are in Japanese, the children often need something explained to them in Japanese, the staff meetings are conducted In Japanese and the lesson planning meetings I have to lead are also done in Japanese, even the school lunch is usually some kind of Japanese food.

I imagine that's very different from ones experience at an international school. If it's not then why are people paying thousands of dollars to send their kids to such a school?

Apologies: ranting on an iPhone isn't good for my grammar
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:
I don't know what position you have in EFL, but I'm the only non-Japanese person at my school. I'm surrounded by regular Japanese people and hear Japanese for pretty much eight hours a day, the walls are covered with posters in Japanese, the library and classrooms are full of books written in Japanese, the school newsletters and information are all written in Japanese, the school announcements are in Japanese, the children often need something explained to them in Japanese, the staff meetings are conducted In Japanese and the lesson planning meetings I have to lead are also done in Japanese, even the school lunch is usually some kind of Japanese food.

I imagine that's very different from ones experience at an international school. If it's not then why are people paying thousands of dollars to send their kids to such a school?

Apologies: ranting on an iPhone isn't good for my grammar


I stand corrected! What you describe sounds completely different from what I thought most people were doing, here.

At my uni, all the signs, notices, letters from administration, are in Japanese, but many of my Japanese colleagues are quite proficient at English and eager to practice. My students also need help in Japanese at times, perhaps more than other unis, as mine is a bit lower ranking as far as student test scores go.

Thank you for your rant, Nights! I learned something about the TEFL scene in Japan. I cringe at the thought of being at school for a full eight hours a day, though. Are you teaching the whole time, or do you have time for other activities (research/lesson planning)?

Are you contractual, or a full-time regular employee?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm contractual and usually have 4-5 lessons a day. There's a lot of down time at the beginning and end of terms and I manage to find time to do lesson planning within my eight hour schedule, it's extremely rare for me to not be able to leave on time.

I think pretty much any job at a public school provides you with a Japanese environment though, even if it's only working for a dispatch company like Interac. Maybe that's not something that's high on a lot of other teachers' priorities, but I like it and would certainly never want to work at an Eikaiwa ever again.

Like most jobs in Japan, this job has a limit of five years, so I have considered doing a masters at some point, but I decided it was just too much money and a rather large investment of time that could be spent doing something else.

What I hear from a lot of people is that it's getting increasingly difficult to get into university teaching nowadays, I wonder if it's really worth it. Having said that, I keep enough money banked so that if I were to change my mind sometime in the future then I could still go for it.
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