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Qualified Teacher - do I require CELTA / TEOSL?

 
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Ziggy45



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:51 am    Post subject: Qualified Teacher - do I require CELTA / TEOSL? Reply with quote

Hi,

I am interested in teaching ESL from the beginning of next year. I am a qualified primary school teacher and will have 2 years experience under my belt at the end of 2014.
I have a BSc.(not education related) obtained in Ireland and a Grad Dip in Primary Education obtained in Australia.
I have tried to find out information of what I need / may not need but can't find a concrete answer if I require an ESL related qualification to go with my teaching qualifications?
From reading on the internet - I see that a lot of people advise that online courses are not considered to be great as they do not include classroom hours, however, as I am in the classroom everyday I am wondering if an online course would be suitable?
I have looked at a local CELTA course and that seems quite expensive?
I am happy to pursue extra qualifications if required but just need to know what I should be looking at?

By the way....I am leaning towards Taiwan as a place to teach.
Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks
Ziggy
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MuscatGary



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What will be accepted in one country may not be accepted in another. As you're interested in Taiwan maybe best to post in that forum and see what the teachers on the ground say. Remember that the skill set needed for teaching tefl is different than the skill set for primary education in the student's first language. Maybe also think about the future, if you ever want to teach in the ME where the money is good then online just isn't accepted.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Qualified Teacher - do I require CELTA / TEOSL? Reply with quote

Ziggy45 wrote:
I have tried to find out information of what I need / may not need but can't find a concrete answer if I require an ESL related qualification to go with my teaching qualifications?

To teach EFL to children or to adults?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The methods and approaches used to teach language are very different from those applied in core-subject classrooms in many ways. A CELTA or equivalent course will introduce you to some of those approaches/methods which are considered effective for language learning, and give you a little concrete practice in their use. It's not redundant for certified core subject teachers.
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Qualified Teacher - do I require CELTA / TEOSL? Reply with quote

Ziggy45 wrote:
Hi,

I am interested in teaching ESL from the beginning of next year. I am a qualified primary school teacher and will have 2 years experience under my belt at the end of 2014.
I have a BSc.(not education related) obtained in Ireland and a Grad Dip in Primary Education obtained in Australia.
I have tried to find out information of what I need / may not need but can't find a concrete answer if I require an ESL related qualification to go with my teaching qualifications?
From reading on the internet - I see that a lot of people advise that online courses are not considered to be great as they do not include classroom hours, however, as I am in the classroom everyday I am wondering if an online course would be suitable?
I have looked at a local CELTA course and that seems quite expensive?
I am happy to pursue extra qualifications if required but just need to know what I should be looking at?

By the way....I am leaning towards Taiwan as a place to teach.
Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks
Ziggy


Across Asia the bulk of the market is working with kids and in that context a CELTA (Certificate in English Language Teaching to Adults) is largely a waste of time and money for a certified teacher.
A TEFL that is focused on young learners is a different matter (and Cambridge no longer offers the Young Learner course in Asia).

With a grad.dip in education AND licensure the public school system in Taiwan is open to you. Pay is in the 60k-88k twd range plus benefits.
You might be able to get in without licensure but I don't know for sure.

Without licensure you will probably be limited to buxibans. Salaries are usually in the range of 50-55k twd.
Many of the jobs, until you are a proven entity as a teacher, are simply hourly based on demand.
A TEFL cert is NOT a legal requirement and most buxibans don't know the difference and don't care.

For most of the rest of Asia you are good to go with a BA, a grad.dip.education and an Irish passport. The only other thing you might need (for Taiwan, China and Korea among others) is a criminal check from your country of passport.

Again, getting back to licensure, if you have it then international schools across the region are also an option and they pay much better than entry level EFL jobs.

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Ziggy45



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

thanks to everyone for the feedback and information - I really appreciate it.

nomad soul - I would like to continue to teach children as this something I really enjoy.

suphanburi - thanks for the information. You mention a "Young Learners" focused TEFL course, is this something that I could find online?
Also, when you mention licensure - is this a work permit within the country I am teaching in?

Thanks again for all the info and feedback.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ziggy45 wrote:
suphanburi - thanks for the information. You mention a "Young Learners" focused TEFL course, is this something that I could find online?

Suphanburi's likely referring to the Young Learner (YL) Extension to CELTA:
http://www.cambridgeenglish.org/exams-and-qualifications/celta/young-learner-extension-to-celta/
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ziggy45 wrote:
suphanburi - thanks for the information. You mention a "Young Learners" focused TEFL course, is this something that I could find online?

Also, when you mention licensure - is this a work permit within the country I am teaching in?


On-line = not worth your money. Download a few texts and you'd be just as well off.

Licensure - valid teacher's license, certified to teach in K-12 schools as a teacher.

It is a different matter from the local work permits / work visa / residence permits / etc.

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golsa



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

International House and British Council both offer post-CELTA certificates in teaching EFL to Young Learners. Either one would be well worth your time to obtain if you want to teach EFL long term outside of Asia. Within Asia, I doubt that many employers would be familiar with either of these certificates and the value they offer.
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Chancellor



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:59 am    Post subject: Re: Qualified Teacher - do I require CELTA / TEOSL? Reply with quote

Ziggy45 wrote:
Hi,

I am interested in teaching ESL from the beginning of next year. I am a qualified primary school teacher and will have 2 years experience under my belt at the end of 2014.
I have a BSc.(not education related) obtained in Ireland and a Grad Dip in Primary Education obtained in Australia.
I have tried to find out information of what I need / may not need but can't find a concrete answer if I require an ESL related qualification to go with my teaching qualifications?
From reading on the internet - I see that a lot of people advise that online courses are not considered to be great as they do not include classroom hours, however, as I am in the classroom everyday I am wondering if an online course would be suitable?
I have looked at a local CELTA course and that seems quite expensive?
I am happy to pursue extra qualifications if required but just need to know what I should be looking at?

By the way....I am leaning towards Taiwan as a place to teach.
Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many Thanks
Ziggy


Do you want to teach adults or children? If adults, get an entry-level TESOL certification such as CELTA. If children, can you add ESL to your teacher certification.

I'm eligible to teach early childhood to 8th grade (elementary and middle school) and ESL in the state of Texas. I also have a 250-hour TESOL certification. So, I have the training necessary to teach English to speakers of other languages regardless of whether they're adults or children. I suspect it was the eligibility to teach ESL to children in Texas that helped land me my upcoming middle school position in China.

Teaching a language is different from teaching general education subjects, including what we in the States call "language arts" (which includes such things as reading, writing, and grammar). Take the time to get some sort of certification in teaching English to speakers of other languages/English as a foreign language.

If you're interested in getting your Master's, consider a degree in applied linguistics (with a TESOL/ESL component) or (you can find a few of these) in TESOL/ESL itself.
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golsa



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Qualified Teacher - do I require CELTA / TEOSL? Reply with quote

[quote="Chancellor"]So, I have the training necessary to teach English to speakers of other languages regardless of whether they're adults or children. I suspect it was the eligibility to teach ESL to children in Texas that helped land me my upcoming middle school position in China./quote]

I suspect that your skin color was a bigger factor than your qualifications had greater weight in this hiring decision :lol:
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baa_baa



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far all ads say either MA in TESOL or BA+CELTA.

Im assuming DELTA will be required soon.

SO if you find yourself a partime CELTA from British council close by do take the time and do it.

It will teach you to be a better teacher and it will help. Dont do 1 month. its too intensive. you loose your nerves. goodluck.
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