Juice
Joined: 09 Jun 2014
Posts: 66
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 Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:13 am Post subject: Big Difference: "School" & "Learning Cent |
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In the process of appealing my expulsion from China (over the L visa I was instructed to get by my employer and recruiter) I learned from SAFEA people that my former employer is not licensed as a school, but only a "learning center" and are not allowed to even hire foreigners. So now I wonder how many private Chinese "schools" are really "learning centers". I also found out that "Academies" and "Institutes" are licensed to enroll only Chinese students and cannot hire foreigners as well.
Maybe this is why they pressure us to come over on L & F visas - because they are not licensed to sponsor foreigners for a Z visa? It is so ironic that they hammer us expat teachers for working on the wrong visa, but don't touch the "learning centers" posing as schools illegally and taking gobs of money from Chinese parents!
Imagine if every foreign teacher in China asked to see a copy of their employers license and then verified it with SAFEA and SAIC. They would never piss you off again with unpaid overtime or ask you to buy your release letter. |
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GreatApe
Joined: 11 Apr 2012
Posts: 582
Location: South of Heaven and East of Nowhere
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Had a slightly similar situation happen to me when I first arrived to work in the PRC in 2010. Only slightly similar because the center where I worked COULD get foreigners a Z Visa and the R.P., but they often hired foreigners on L visas to check the quality of the teacher they were getting and to see if he/she was going to work out or not.
Basically they were just trying to save money and cut corners, but they would put you to work on an L Visa while you were waiting to receive your Z Visa and R.P.
Juice wrote:
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Maybe this is why they pressure us to come over on L & F visas - because they are not licensed to sponsor foreigners for a Z visa? It is so ironic that they hammer us expat teachers for working on the wrong visa, but don't touch the "learning centers" posing as schools illegally and taking gobs of money from Chinese parents!
Imagine if every foreign teacher in China asked to see a copy of their employers license and then verified it with SAFEA and SAIC. They would never piss you off again with unpaid overtime or ask you to buy your release letter. |
As far as that is concerned, SOME schools are NOT licensed to hire foreign teachers or to get foreign teachers an R.P. New teachers to China should be aware of this and, YES! ... ask to speak to teachers working at the school and make 100% sure that the school who wants to hire you is capable of getting you the right documents to work in China legally.
In my experience, however, it's NOT necessarily true that the schools who hire illegally "don't get touched" ... they OFTEN get fined. The center where I worked was fined around 8,000 to 10,000 RMB per teacher for allowing teachers to work on L Visas while they waited for their proper Z Visas and the R.P. to follow.
If you apply for a job in-person while you're in China, I would ABSOLUTELY ask to see their license to hire foreign teachers on the correct work documents. I'd also STILL ask to talk to teachers who have worked for the school. Always double-check and never trust completely .... in other words, be sure to C.Y.A. (Cover Your @ss)!
If they give you static, just tell them that you're only trying to live a simple life and to abide by the rules of "Our China."
--GA |
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