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[princesss]

Some of the new EF schools are offering 15 million rupiah for people who meet the DIKNAS regulations. These are for their Adult Centres. There is one in Sudirman and another opening in Taman Anggrek. They seem to be going upmarket in order to compete with Wall Street for the big bucks. Therefore I don't think it's accurate to say they are keeping salaries down for people with the right degree. They now offer an upmarket version and pay as much as anyone. They charge double what local schools do because they offer a superior service.

Does online learning and smart boards and fancy audio-visual stuff really matter? I enjoy the traditional classroom myself but young people do love their gadgets. The popularity of Wall Street and EF Adult Centres in Jakarta indicates that this style of learning has broad appeal and is highly motivating. When you think about it, it's hardly surprising that these modern, high-tech schools appeal to business people. And I think it is clear this trend will continue, much to the chagrin of the local school recruiters.

There is nothing innovative about buying copies of Cutting Edge and writing on a whiteboard. The local schools stick to this dated method mostly because it is cheap and no fuss. Smart boards do offer numerous educational advantages. They are more flexible and versatile. Schools that don't switch to them are usually more focused on the bottom line than the experience of learners.

[markustm]

Taman Anggrek and Jl. Sudirman are actually some of the most expensive areas in the whole of Indonesia, so the extra salary won't surprise many teachers in Indonesia, because its needed to cover the higher living costs in both these areas.

Newcomers to this forum, should be aware that living costs can vary,depending on the area you live in, especially in Jakarta, and schools tend to offer salaries that reflect this.

Teachers would also be expected to give a good appearance,which also means you may need to own the most expensive phone, or wear branded clothes to fit into the school. This "Gengsi"factor, can mean some teachers can barely survive on 15 million in an area like Jl. Sudirman.

If your primary aim is to save or travel, its often better to work in an area with much lower living costs, and accept less salary, especially if you prefer to live closer to places like a mountain, ancient temple, or a beach.

In Indonesia, like most of South- east Asia, teachers don't work weekends, this is one drawback promoters of schools like Wall Street, ignore, and Indonesia does have hundreds if not, thousands of schools across the country, that do hire expatriate teachers legally.

Many of these schools, do not need to advertise, because they are usually contacted directly by teachers through their websites.

As for salary increases, thats anyones guess, but generally they do rise, if teachers re-new their contracts, but also factor in the fringe benefits of free housing, etc.

[princesss]

[markustm]

Pearsons and all book companies outsource nowadays, I don't understand why this is an issue. Anyone working in publishing knows this. Even the editing is usually outsourced to the Philippines, and India by most publishing companies.

I think you are misled about my identity, and would state clearly that I represent no company in Indonesia, what gives you the right to post false accusations on this forum? Have you read the forum rules?

[bradleycooper]

It is hardly surprising to see that Markustm is unable to source his claims. The fact is that EF has a large production unit In-House which produces materials for their textbooks. They produce their own materials for their courses and this is not done by Filipinos and Indians as he breezily- and wrongly- assures us. So he is clearly offering misleading information. Yes, the big schools do spend millions and millions of dollars on materials development.

Wall Street is the owner of unique software which they have developed themselves. In contrast, schools like TBI boast about being world-class but don't use a single one of their own books. They have been around 30 years and don't have a single published title to their name. This is due to a lack of people with degrees in TEFL. They don't have the knowhow to compete with the more professional outfits like EF and Wall Street. Hence the sour grapes.

[markustm]

I thought the topic on this forum was salaries not your own issues with TBI , or your own personal feelings about one school, Wall Street, or the posting of imaginary accusations about me.

Can you stick to the topic of the thread, and continue a healthy discussion about the factors around salaries in Indonesia,instead of ruining the topic with your own hang-ups?

[bradleycooper]

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[MadRiley]

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[p1randal]

Moderators please block these people!!!

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