Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Teaching TOEFL/SAT prep
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> China (Job-related Posts Only)
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
El Macho



Joined: 30 Jan 2006
Posts: 200

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:

The SAT does not recycle tests, and contrary to common belief, it is nearly impossible to obtain old tests.
Bud Powell wrote:
…the possibility of anyone at The College Board releasing a test is nil
Except, of course, for the three administrations a year where students can pay to receive a copy of the actual test they took via Student Answer Verification.
The College Board wrote:
For May Test-takers Worldwide and for October and January Test-takers in the United States and Canada the Question-and-Answer Service is available, and with it, you'll get:
    A booklet copy of the SAT questions and a report including your answers for the specific testing administration

    The correct answers and additional scoring instructions

    Information about the type of test questions and levels of difficulty of the questions

These tests are labeled as not for test-prep use, but the hakwons/buxibans use them, and apparently they're widely distributed on the internet. I remember hearing that one prep startup later acquired by (I think) PR got legal attention from the College Board because they (allegedly) used such 'officially' unreleased past tests to create their vocab book.

Quote:
Other than that, The only thing that works is continual practice to improve one's skills.
I agree with you on this, but there is also appropriate language knowledge to be taught and practiced in concert with test-taking skills and general test familiarity. Things like verb-preposition agreement tend to be quite difficult for ELLs (as well as for native speakers…otherwise the SAT wouldn't test it) but can be taught. So, we have the skill of test literacy (being practiced in making good guesses about why answer choices might be wrong) as well as formal knowledge of language and familiarity with texts of a certain style and difficulty.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bud Powell



Joined: 11 Jul 2013
Posts: 1736

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't disagree with anything stated by el Macho. I am sure that previously-issued tests are issued to test-takers after-the-fact, but those tests aren't recycled for reuse. I promise you.

And true, one can buy prep books that introduce practice material (Barron's Kaplan, et. al) for every test that will ever be administered. The vocabulary list and the Greek and Latin prefixes are quite formidable, and aren't likely to be memorized by anyone who enrolls in a one-week (or even a one-month) test prep program. For sure, some (but not all ) of the vocabulary words will appear on the test, and anyone who wishes to attain a mastery of the English Language will have a good working knowledge of the prefixes and suffixes but won't be able to define them out of context without extensive study.

The best test prep programs for PSAT, SAT, and ACT actually begin in sixth grade and continue until the student takes the test. The practice tests help the students to improve their skills in all academic areas, and the improvement in practice SAT scores generally correlate to an improvement in their middle school and high school class test scores. This isn't due to an increase in mastery of subject matter, but it is due to an increase in acquired reading and math skills resulting from increased practice.

One can prepare for the tests, but one can't really game the system. When I was studying for my masters degree, I worked for an ACT mill in the U.S that prepared kids for the ACT. The outfit held out the promise that the practice material would appear on the test. I got saddled with a couple of children of Korean immigrants who bought the BS hook, line, and sinker. They came in for four prep sessions before the test and kept the practice material to study. They scored well on the mathematics section, but they bombed on the verbal because they memorized the answers to the verbal test preparation exercises. They could compensate for the fact that math prompts were different from the practice material because they already had greater than adequate math abilities, but their verbal scores were really bad because they didn't have the necessary verbal skills to begin with.

God help the idiots who present their students with writing prompts for the 2016 writing section of the SAT. The writing prompt is slated to be eliminated in 2016 (unless something changes between now and then).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Beyond1984



Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 462

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject: insider info from New Oriental Reply with quote

Here's an excerpt from an article that may point the OP in the direction he wants to go:

""New Oriental seems to have cracked the SAT code," says Phillip Muth, associate dean for admissions at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. Its 1,200 applicants from China this year had an average of 610 out of 800 on the SAT's reading section and 670 in writing, as opposed to 641 in reading and 650 in writing for U.S. applicants. In math, they achieved an average of 783, compared with 669 for U.S. students."

Some of the insider info is described below:

"On SAT grammar questions, Zhu and Wang followed New Oriental's advice to eliminate any answer containing the word "being" or a comma followed by "which." For reading comprehension, they avoided any responses including "despair," "befuddle," "bafflement," or "apologize." Such tips are typically based on analysis of prior tests. "It sounds ridiculous, but it works," says Wang, who has been admitted to the University of Southern California and New York University."

Full article here: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_20/b4228058558042.htm#p2

-HDT

ps: I would have to be paid a ton of money to do this kind of "teaching." Isn't there a better way to keep one well stocked with victuals and beverages?? Rolling Eyes Cool
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bud Powell



Joined: 11 Jul 2013
Posts: 1736

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voodoo works just as well.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> China (Job-related Posts Only) All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China