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The song
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 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:37 pm Post subject: Middle-eastern background |
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Hello,
We all hear about how easy it is to find a job in China...especially if you live in Korea like me. Anyway I have been here for a year and a half and I might want to look for a change. My only teaching experience is here, and as I said in the title, I am middle-eastern.
How do the discriminatory hiring practices compare to Korea? presumably they are a little bit less discriminatory because there is greater demand for us.
Also, this kind of calls for it's own topic but I'll try to wedge it here: Any non-white people who have made a long-term career in ESL, please share your experiences, especially if it's in Asia. |
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likwid_777
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It will be more about how good looking you are. Are you Middle Eastern background from US/CAN/UK/AUS/NZ/SA? If so, should be very easy. If your passport is Middle Eastern, then it's going to be a lot harder. Seriously though, with varying degrees of job quality and levels of legality, it seems almost any nationality can still get a job in China. That's as long as you can speak English, of course, and look hard enough. At the school where I taught, there were Nigerians, Ghanians, Russians, Slovakians, Filipino, and then the others from the "big five".
There was only one of each from each of those nationalities represented though, it wasn't as if there were a giant amount. It was a crappy school though, as you can probably imagine. Beware of the tourist or business visa "we'll get you a visa" promise, as it will be BS. If your passport is Middle Eastern, it will be even more unlikely that they'll be able to convert your visa to a Z-Visa. So get them to make you a Z-Visa before you go, or run the gauntlet.
This may be somewhat outdated, as I got my marching orders for having the incorrect visa approximately three years ago. With the new visa rules apparently being enforced since one year ago, it might be more difficult for holders of other passports.
On the assumption you speak Arabic, check out this job:
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/index.cgi?read=33054
"What we are looking for:
We are seeking qualified and enthusiastic teachers to join our professional and hard working team. Our staff teaches a variety of age groups from 6 years old up to adults and business English classes and we prefer flexible teachers who can teach a range of levels and ages. Teachers must be native speakers of English with a university degree or diploma and/or a TEFL certificate, or the equivalent. Preference will be given to teachers who have experience in teaching kindergarten or business English, although an eagerness to learn and a positive, flexible attitude will also be highly beneficial. Applicants with a first or good second language of French, Russian or Arabic, would also be given priority as we also teach these languages in our school, as well as teachers who may already be in China."
You may, or may not be a native speaker of English. But if you speak Arabic, I'm sure that you can negotiate. You obviously speak English well, so if you have both, you'd probably be a shoe in. However, it will be a very, very cold winter up there.
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The song
Joined: 26 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link and the advice, that is quite helpful. It looks like an interesting job...I'm looking to stay maybe another year here in Korea but I may as well try my luck and apply.
I'm Canadian, and grew up there. I can more or less speak Arabic well, maybe even well enough to teach it!
I'm less concerned about visa than to be able to access the best jobs and not be pushed aside for someone of a more favourable complexion. I am very handsome if what Koreans tell me is true. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Look at the Foreign Language Universities. |
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Non Sequitur
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| The song wrote: |
Thanks for the link and the advice, that is quite helpful. It looks like an interesting job...I'm looking to stay maybe another year here in Korea but I may as well try my luck and apply.
I'm Canadian, and grew up there. I can more or less speak Arabic well, maybe even well enough to teach it!
I'm less concerned about visa than to be able to access the best jobs and not be pushed aside for someone of a more favourable complexion. I am very handsome if what Koreans tell me is true. |
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The song
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I did apply to that job linked, and I skyped with them. They wouldn't go over 5500 rmb, so I'll probably pass on it because that is peanuts in Korea...But I'll look at the contract in case. Also the shared kitchen is a bit of a deal breaker. As much as I like to eat out, it's nice to have the option of cooking and having the space to cook.
Although you are definitely right that the school appreciates people of colour, the interviewer didn't ask me about my ethnic background until I mentioned it. |
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Non Sequitur
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5500 is about right for a bog standard China FT job.
FTs come to China for reasons unrelated to the monthly cheque.
The most important of these is the low barriers to entry. It's getting harder but relatively it's the easiest to crack. |
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Janiny
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| Why not seek work in the Middle East? The pay is good, and you can enjoy the additional luxury of blending into the crowd. |
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The song
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| I did apply to a couple in the middle east, but it seems like jobs there are a little more demanding, most of them ask for a TESL and 2-3 years experience and I only have an online TESL and 1 year with Elementary kids. I think I've heard wall street english mentioned for taking entry level teachers, and I did send a resume to them a few days back. |
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Listerine
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| The song wrote: |
| They wouldn't go over 5500 rmb, so I'll probably pass on it because that is peanuts in Korea... |
Unless you have significant debts (school loans or whatever that you're trying to pay off back home) don't get too hung up on this. Between the significantly lower cost of living in China compared with Korea, and the fact the average uni job in the PRC will see you having to pay no bills (electricity, internet, tax, water, gas, health insurance etc.) often your only real expense in China will be food - which usually can be bought with the small change behind the cushions on your sofa. Many schools will even give you a monthly "canteen allowance" (500rmb at mine), so even your food expenses are fairly minimal.
Factoring cost of living and reduced expenses I once worked out that a 5,500rmb salary in China was about comparable with a 1.6~1.7 million won a month job in Korea. And you're teaching half the hours of a standard 2.1mil gig in Korea. Pick up a couple of hours privates a week in China and you're fast saving more $ in the PRC....and not having to deal with Koreans.
I wouldn't do the shared kitchen thing though - there's always a dirty pig. |
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The song
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This is the contract they gave me:
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Employer (Party A)
Name of the Employer: Zhejiang Yuexiu University of Foreign Languages
Legal Representative: Hu Baifan
Agent Ad Litem: Ye Fangchun
Address: No.428 Kuaiji Road, Shaoxing, Zhejiang Province(Jishan Campus)
No. 2801 Qunxianzhong Road, Shaoxing, Zhejiang Province (Jinghu Campus)
Tel: 0086-575-88349532
Fax: 0086-575-88365129
Employed Foreign Experts or Professionals (Party B)
Name:
Sex:
Date of Birth:
Nationality:
ID Number:
Overseas Address:
Cellphone No.:
Email Address:
Emergency Contact Person:
Emergency Contact Person’s Cellphone No.:
I. Both Parties, In line with the principles of legality, fairness, equality, mutual agreement,
honesty and trustworthiness, on a voluntary basis, and in a spirit of friendly cooperation, agree to
sign this contract and pledge to fulfill all the obligations stipulated hereinafter.
II. The term of this contract shall be from __ Sept 2014 _to __ June 2015 _, with the first
month set as probation period.
III. Tasks assigned to Party B(see the appendix)
IV. Party B’s Monthly Salary shall be RMB 5500 (before tax). Please see the appendix for
terms and conditions on other remunerations and benefits concerned.
V. Party A’s Obligations:
1. Party A shall inform Party B of relevant laws and regulations of the People’s Republic of
China as well as any institutions and administrative stipulations concerned with Party B’s
employment as herein provided.
2. Party A Shall conduct regular supervision, inspection and review of Party B’s Working
performance.
3. Party A shall provide Party B with necessary working and living conditions.
4. Party A shall deploy fellow staff for Party B for coordination affairs.
5. Party A shall Pay Party B’s salary as scheduled.
VI. Party B’s Obligations:
1. Party B shall observe relevant laws and regulations of the People’s Republic of China and
shall not interfere in China’s internal affairs.
2. Party B shall observe any institutions and administrative stipulations concerned with its
employment, and shall be subject to Party A’s arrangements, supervision, inspection and
review of his/her working performance. Without Party A’s consent, Party B shall not conduct
any part-time job assigned by any other party.
3. Party B shall fulfill the tasks assigned to him/her with high standards within the prescribed
time frame.
4. Party B shall respect China’s religious policies, and shall not conduct any religious activities
incompatible with his/her status as a foreign expert.
5. Part B shall respect Chinese people’s ethics and customs.
VII. Revision, Cancellation and Termination of the Contract:
Both Parties shall abide by the contract and shall refrain from revising, canceling, or terminating
the contract without mutual consent.
1. Revision of the contract. This contract can be revised with mutual consent. Before both parties
have reached an agreement, the contract shall be strictly observed.
2. Cancellation of the contract. This contract can be canceled with mutual consent. Before both
parties have reached an agreement, the contract shall be strictly observed.
(1) Under the following conditions, Party A shall have the right to inform Party B in writing
of the cancellation of this contract:
a. Party B fails to fulfill this contract of the obligations and agreed conditions as herein
b. On the basis of the physician’s diagnosis, Party B fails to resume normal work after a
(2) Party B has the right to inform Party A in writing of Cancellation of this contract under
the following conditions:
a. Party A fails to provide Party B with necessary working and living conditions as
b. Party A fails to pay Party B as scheduled.
(3) In Case either party asks to terminate this contract, it shall give a 30 day notice to the
other party in writing, and the contract shall only be terminated after 30 days.
(4) This contract can be terminated upon mutual agreement by both parties.
3. Termination of the contract
(1) This contract shall be terminated once it expires.
(2) This contract may be terminated with mutual consent of both parties, and it shall be
strictly observed until both parties reach an agreement otherwise.
VIII.Breach Penalty
When either party fails to fulfill any part or all of the obligations as stipulated in this contract, that
is, in the event of breach of the contract, the said party shall pay a breach penalty of US$800 to
3000 or equivalent to 3 to 10 times Party B’s monthly salary in RMB. If both parties consider it
necessary to determine an exact sum of the breach penalty, or to determine a breach penalty higher
and lower than the above-mentioned amount, it shall be explicated in the appendix of this contract.
When Party B claims to cancel this contract due to force majeure, it shall produce certifying
documents issued by competent authorities; after the contract is canceled with Party A’s consent,
Party B shall bear the traveling expenses thus incurred; and when Party B fails to provide any
valid reason to cancel this contract, it shall bear the traveling expenses thus incurred and pay the
breach penalty to Party A as stipulated in this contract.
When Party A claims to cancel this contract due to force majeure, and the contract is thus canceled
with Party B consent, it shall bear Party B’s traveling expenses thus incurred; and when Party A
fails to provide any valid reason to cancel this contract, it shall bear the traveling expenses thus
incurred to Party B and pay the breach penalty to Party B as stipulated in this contract.
IX. The appendix of this contract forms an indispensable part of this contract and shall have the
same legal effect to the text of this contract.
X. This contract shall take effect upon being signed by both parties and shall be automatically
terminated upon expiration. When either party requires signing a renewed contract, it shall
forward its request to the other party 30 days prior to the expiration of this contract, and both
parties shall sign the new contract through consultations and mutual consent.
Upon the expiration of the contract, Party B shall bear all the expenses incurred during this own
stay in China.
XI. Settlement to dispute
Any dispute in connection with this contract shall be first of all settled between both parties
concerned through friendly consultation. In case no settlement can be reached through
consultations or intermediation, both parties shall submit the said dispute for arbitration with local
personnel authorities or the local labor arbitration system. In case either party refuses to accept the
arbitration award, it may bring an action before the people’s court. This contract is signed by both
parties at Zhejiang Yuexiu University of Foreign Languages on (date). This contract
is in duplicate, each in both Chinese and English versions, and both shall take effect upon being
signed at the same time.
This contract will be only valid when the residence permit for Party B is successfully issued.
Party A: Zhejiang Yuexiu University of Foreign Languages
(Signature)
Party B:
(Signature)
stipulated, and fails to amend his/her actions after Party A has pointed it out;
sick leave for a period of successive 30 days.
stipulated in this contract;
Party A: Known as Zhejiang Yuexiu University of Foreign Languages (hereinafter known as
ZYUFL).
Party B: Hereinafter known as the “foreign teacher” as the person
signing this contract.
Based on the mutual understanding of the signed contract, both parties agree to act in accordance
with the following:
The tasks of ZYUFL.
1. ZYUFL shall pay the foreign teacher’s monthly salary of _ 5500 _Yuan (RMB)
.Probationary month ,holiday months of July and August will be paid at _ 4500 _ Yuan
(RMB)(New teachers,first month, the salary will be paid according to your arrival date at the
probationary month rate).The foreign teacher’s salary will be paid directly into their bank
account after deducting the monthly expenses for income tax, water and electricity before the
day of every month. The Summer&Winter holiday salary will be paid at the beginning of
20th
new semester, namely, after registration at ZYUFL.The last month’ salary will be paid under
the contract signing date or actual teaching days.
2. ZYUFL shall pay the foreign teacher 1100 Yuan (RMB) as a travel allowance at the end
of each term upon the foreign teacher’s submission of receipts. ZYUFL shall pay _ 4900
_Yuan (RMB) for an international airfare at the end of each semester upon the foreign
teacher’s production of an appropriate receipt from a travel agent or airline. Flight allowances
will also be paid at the end of each semester. Please keep all relevant invoices or receipts
and deliver them to Foreign Affairs Service Center before the end of the semester. We
will remind you to do this. Please be aware that the air ticket allowance won't be paid in
advance. The travel allowance will be paid at the end of each semester under the same terms
as the flight allowances. Please keep the relevant invoices or receipts. For those who are not
returning for the following semester, the travel allowance will be paid once all the ‘leaving
procedures’ have been completed and all utility bills have been paid in full.
3. ZYUFL shall provide picking up service at a suggested date.
4. ZYUFL shall provide free accommodation on campus for the foreign teacher if required.
5. ZYUFL shall provide free internet access in the apartment.
6. ZYUFL shall provide a canteen card and a bank card.
7. ZYUFL shall apply for a work permit and residence permit for the foreign teacher based on
his/her true and valid documentation.
8. ZYUFL will buy ‘health insurance’ and assist for compensation when required. (The
compensation procedure is up to the relevant terms of insurance company.)
The tasks of the foreign teacher.
1. The foreign teacher is obliged to complete a teaching commitment of 16 periods per week at
Yuexiu during the period stated in the contract. Kindergarten teacher’s commitment will be 5
days per week(Some weekend teaching may be required. The foreign teacher shall prepare the
classes carefully and in a professional way. The foreign teacher shall accept other relevant
teaching jobs if the teaching load is less than in the contract. The foreign teacher may be
requested to give a speech termly on their own topic and attend staff meetings.
2. The teaching schedule must be followed. No lateness to or early ending of lessons is
acceptable. If it happens, the foreign teacher will be punished according to the school
teaching regulations.
3. Assessment of Teachers. The respective teaching department will evaluate foreign teacher’s
performance on teaching and the evaluation will be used as evidence for their appraisal at the
end of each semester.
4. The foreign teacher is allowed to leave at the end of the semester only when all teaching
tasks and student assessments are done with the complete record having been submitted to
the relevant member of staff.
5. The foreign teacher, as a member of staff of ZYUFL shall be invited to take part in cultural
and social activities on behalf of the university and students throughout the semester. ZYUFL
encourages all foreign teachers to engage in these activities.
6. Teaching by foreign teachers should be confined to the work assigned by ZYUFL.
Exceptions will be made when being asked by ZYUFL to undertake part-time teaching work.
All other part-time teaching is forbidden for foreign teachers without prior consent from
ZYUFL.
7. The foreign teacher must seek permission when missing lessons for personal reasons
other than sickness. In all cases of absence the co-teacher must be contacted at the earliest
opportunity. All lessons will need to be rearranged or covered by a colleague so they can be
taught at an alternative time. If teachers fail to make up lessons, 80RMB per teaching hour
will be deducted from the salary for that month.
8. The foreign teacher shall pay the fees for bottled-water, electricity and gas each month.
Mains water and electricity will be deducted from the monthly salary. The bill for gas
should be paid at Foreign Affairs Department in cash. For those foreign teachers who live
in building 6 and are sharing the kitchen (taking the key to the kitchen will be regarded
as ‘using’ it), the expenses of water and electricity will be divided equally and deducted from
each person. If you wish to see the detailed bill for each month, it can be requested at the
Foreign Teachers Affairs Section.
9. The foreign teacher shall complete all required departure procedures within three days
including the expiration day of the contract and leave ZYUFL. The apartment must be
left clean and tidy for the next occupant otherwise a cost of 100RMB will be charged for
cleaning.
These rules and regulations are established according to the relevant laws in China and form part
of the contract of employment for foreign teachers working at Zhejiang Yuexiu University of
Foreign Languages.
Section A – Working
1. Foreign teachers must obey Chinese laws and decrees, respect the Chinese social
system and customs. The foreign teachers shall not engage in any form of missionary
activities. The foreign teachers are not allowed to distribute religious books or material
to the students in the name of teaching. Those who violate the above-stated regulations
shall be dealt with in light of laws and the contract.
2. Foreign teachers are also subjected to the rules of the Teaching Affairs Office
3. Each lesson must be prepared conscientiously and be appropriate to the abilities of
the students. Advice, like Chinese teachers, foreign teachers must organize students
assessment as required.
4. Foreign teachers are to take part in one presentation to a group of students and staff each
term. You will be asked in advance and given time to prepare.
5. Foreign teachers who want to leave the ZYUFL before the end of the contract should
present an application in written form one month ahead of the date they hope to leave,
in all but emergency situations. The salary of that month will be paid depending on
the hours worked. Please note that the end of semester air ticket allowance and travel
allowance won't be paid.
Section B – Living Arrangements
Accommodation
1 Foreign teachers should register in the university on arrival and apply for temporary
residence permits within 24 hours.
2 Accommodation Facilities. Foreign teachers should check the accommodation facilities
when they move in. Keep the apartment or dormitory clean and quiet. Pay the full price
for anything damaged.
3 Maintenance. Please directly report to the Maintenance Office if anything needs to be
repaired in the apartment. Special circumstances, can do registration at Foreign Teachers
Affairs Section. If the damage is caused by the foreign teacher or a guest, the expenses
should be paid for by the foreign teacher responsible for the apartment.
4 Decoration. The decoration of the outside of apartment doors is allowed providing it is in
of the ZYUFL.
accordance with common decency. Items that might offend others on campus should not
be placed where they can be seen and teachers will be asked to remove them if necessary.
The painting of doors is not permitted.
5 Parties. Areas in and around foreign teacher’s apartments are expected to be quiet after
11pm. After this time, do not make loud noises, excessively drink or play music that
will disturb others when holding gatherings. If Yuexiu Security or the Foreign Affairs
Department needs to ask for quiet on three or more occasions, 500RMB will be deducted
from the salary of the teacher responsible for the apartment as a fine.
6 Excessive drinking, any drug use, gambling and whoring are strictly prohibited in the
apartments.
7 Engaging in illegal acts or the distribution of reactionary or obscene materials, books,
magazines pictures, audio or video media among Chinese citizens is prohibited.
8 Foreign teachers cannot live with male or female visitors in their apartments other than
their spouses, parents, brothers, sisters or children. If a foreign teacher lets other people
live in their apartment, 500 RMB will be deducted from the salary as a fine.
9 Checking Out. The apartment should be cleaned and left tidy ready for the next occupant.
If you don't have time to do it yourself, the Foreign Teachers Affairs Section can send a
cleaner to do it, but the expenses must be paid by the foreign teacher.
10. According to the school's stipulation, keeping pets is not allowed in the apartments or
dorms.
11. Students from Yuexiu University are not allowed to visit your apartment.
Security
1. During their spare time, teachers are advised they must comply with traffic rules and are
advised not to use taxis failing to display a formal plate or which are in poor condition.
Keep to the right while riding bicycles.
2. In the apartments, they should pay attention to the safe use of electricity and gas and must
not keep combustible, explosive, highly toxic or radioactive materials.
3. Teachers should be responsible for their own belongings in the apartment.
4. In an emergency, they must notify the entrance guard on duty without delay by calling
88343099 or the internal telephone from apartment 253099 or dial 119 (fire station), 120
(first-aid station) or 110 (police station).
Professionalism
1. Foreign teachers should maintain a professional approach to their life and work at Yuexiu
University. They are expected to familiarise themselves with and respect customs and
traditions of teachers in China.
2. A friendly but professional approach to students is expected at all times.
3. Teachers must not be involved in any romantic or sexual relationships with students from
Yuexiu University.
4. Dress code. Clothing must be professional attire. For male staff, a shirt, trousers and shoes
is suggested. For female staff, a smart top, blouse, dress, skirt, trousers and shoes is
suggested.
Section C: Other Items
Automatic Dismissal. The current contract will be terminated if a foreign teacher has:
1. Been fined three times during the whole stay in ZYUFL.
2. Had three complaints made against them for incidents outside this contract, that following
investigation, are found to be substantiated and who have not taken the advice twice given
to them on behalf of or by ZYUFL.
3. Engaged in regular excessive drinking, the taking of drugs or violence.
4. Made use of religion to engage in activities that disrupt public order, impair the health of
citizen and interfere with the education system of the country.
5. A health condition which means the teacher concerned cannot meet the requirement of the
residence permit.
6. Been punished due to violation of public order laws, or been investigated for criminal acts.
Party A: Zhejiang Yuexiu University of Foreign Languages
(Signature)
Party B:
(Signature) |
I didn't have time to look it over but just some things that stick out for me:
It's 10 months, meaning that they won't pay for the summer holidays.
Also they mention weekend teaching, I don't think I'm OK with that.
I'm guessing the probation period is a normal thing in China.
It doesn't say what level is taught, and they mentioned they have a kindergarten too...well it would be a huge waste of time to find out that it's a bait and switch kindergarten job being advertised as a university job.
Also they didn't say which campus. Anything else I should tell them about? |
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Alien abductee
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| The song wrote: |
| It's 10 months, meaning that they won't pay for the summer holidays. |
Contracts normally go from 1 Sept to mid Jul or thereabouts. You don't get paid for the summer because you're not employed there any longer. If however you sign for another year then a lot of schools will pay you, either at full or half rate, for the summer. If there's anything in a contract you don't like feel free to negotiate, sometimes they'll agree to amendments.
Most of the questions you posted are best answered by talking to someone who already works there. They're on the ground and will know. |
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GreatApe
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I must say: my advice ... Don't DO IT ... unless you really know what you'll be getting your
self into. If you are unsure, pass.
--GA |
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The song
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:33 am Post subject: |
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I emailed with some of my concerns anf this is the response i got
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The contract is for every teacher so you will find it is not specific.
Anyway, here is the answer: 1. Nowhere in the contract says that I will teach adults: You will not teach kids. 2. It says that I may teach at other schools. Again we never talked about this during the interview, but it would have been helpful to mention if this is expected of all teachers. It is not another school, it is different colleague/campus, and it is for all the teachers since we do not know the teaching schedule for now. it happens some classes are at one campus and the other is on another campus. 3. No weekends: Weekends are there. 4. Be fined up to 10 times the monthly salary in case of early termination. Who would agree to this? This seems unreasonable. This is the standard statement from national expert bureau, we just follow it, so far we have not really met the cases, but it is good to mention and we shall let the officers know it is not reasonable. 5. Shared kitchen is not very good. If you are happy to live on new campus, you will have your ownl kithchen.
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Sorry the formating isnt good cause im on mobile. The first part is my concern and the second part is her answer. Eg 1.The pay is low. The pay will be raised means that I sent her that the pay was low and she said it will be raised.
If she rewrites the contract to amend those things iMight accept it. But point 4 is very worrying so i need some advice. |
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wangdaning
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| Point 4 is a lie. |
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