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eihpos



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:37 pm    Post subject: Letter of Resignation? Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm not sure what this employer is looking for (I've asked them to be more specific but no reply yet, so I thought I'd check with you guys)

My school is in the middle of the visa/invitation letter application process and have so far asked for a pre med and a criminal record check as well as the usual stuff. Today, they are looking for a letter of resignation from my current employer. I think they mean either 1) I need to write a letter of resignation, or 2) I need some kind of letter from my employer, similar to a release letter. The thing is, I'm working in Ireland, where this is not standard practise. When you leave a job, you give 2 weeks - month notice, that's it. I'm sure it is the same in the UK or US. In fact, I don't even have to give this as I'm freelance/casual and only full time in the busy summer months. At the end of August/September, I won't be needed here anyway! My current employer knows been offered a position in China, as they provided a reference directly to this employer in China.

Any ideas on what they mean? Has anyone ever been asked for this kind of thing?
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a baffler. I couldn't find anything about it through searching. I would think that somewhere along the path they have it confused with already having been employed in China. For example, this an ad by a school in Beijing which states everything you are supposed to have from your last CHINESE job.

"OF YOUR FEC CONFIRMATION OF CANCELLATION, LETTER OF RELEASE, LETTER OF RESIGNATION, AND LETTER OF REFERENCE."

Beijing is pretty tough as are a few other localities. If it is not a mistake I would think that some local authority decided to implement it on their own.

Chinese often have a hard time understanding that things do not usually work in other countries like China.
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Piper2



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Letter of Resignation? Reply with quote

eihpos wrote:
Hi,

I'm not sure what this employer is looking for (I've asked them to be more specific but no reply yet, so I thought I'd check with you guys)

My school is in the middle of the visa/invitation letter application process and have so far asked for a pre med and a criminal record check as well as the usual stuff. Today, they are looking for a letter of resignation from my current employer. I think they mean either 1) I need to write a letter of resignation, or 2) I need some kind of letter from my employer, similar to a release letter. The thing is, I'm working in Ireland, where this is not standard practise. When you leave a job, you give 2 weeks - month notice, that's it. I'm sure it is the same in the UK or US. In fact, I don't even have to give this as I'm freelance/casual and only full time in the busy summer months. At the end of August/September, I won't be needed here anyway! My current employer knows been offered a position in China, as they provided a reference directly to this employer in China.

Any ideas on what they mean? Has anyone ever been asked for this kind of thing?


I agree with you and Jim, it looks like your new school is confused. Maybe they confused "resignation" with another word...release, recommendation, or reference?

You could try to gently, politely, and clearly inform the school of what each of those r-words mean, and ask them to confirm which they need.

If they still insist they need a letter of resignation (they might, in an attempt to save face) just write one out. From the school's point of view it would probably be even better if you can get your current employer to stamp it, as having received it (your boss's signature would not be needed).
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The Voice Of Reason



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If they still insist they need a letter of resignation (they might, in an attempt to save face) just write one out. From the school's point of view it would probably be even better if you can get your current employer to stamp it, as having received it (your boss's signature would not be needed).

Another thing Chinese authorities and employers find difficult to comprehend is the general non-use of stamps / chops in some / many other countries.

You could maybe point out to them that your reference letter details the period of time you worked for your last employer and thus serves as a letter of release from any contract or agreement.
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eihpos



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok - they have told me that it is a termination letter stating my name, current workplace, date I will leave and employers signature. I suppose I will just write it and ask my boss to sign it. It's a bit annoying. I don't see why I should have to do this!
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eihpos wrote:
Ok - they have told me that it is a termination letter stating my name, current workplace, date I will leave and employers signature. I suppose I will just write it and ask my boss to sign it. It's a bit annoying. I don't see why I should have to do this!


I would just do it all yourself, and scribble something like a signature. It still seems they are confused on this one. There is no legal reason they should need it.
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eihpos wrote:
Ok - they have told me that it is a termination letter stating my name, current workplace, date I will leave and employers signature. I suppose I will just write it and ask my boss to sign it. It's a bit annoying. I don't see why I should have to do this!


Personally, since your present company has been helpful so far, I would be as official as possible. I am curious if they expect this to be written by you or your employer? You should ask. One would obviously assume you if you were to go by common sense, but you can throw that right out the window when living in mainland China.

Anyways, point being that the last thing you want is for the process to be held up as some bureaucrat in China rejects your resignation letter as it is not official looking enough and/or does not meet their expected format.
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Piper2



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimpellow wrote:
eihpos wrote:
Ok - they have told me that it is a termination letter stating my name, current workplace, date I will leave and employers signature. I suppose I will just write it and ask my boss to sign it. It's a bit annoying. I don't see why I should have to do this!


Personally, since your present company has been helpful so far, I would be as official as possible. I am curious if they expect this to be written by you or your employer? You should ask. One would obviously assume you if you were to go by common sense, but you can throw that right out the window when living in mainland China.

Anyways, point being that the last thing you want is for the process to be held up as some bureaucrat in China rejects your resignation letter as it is not official looking enough and/or does not meet their expected format.


OP, termination letter and boss's signature? So they are no longer asking for a letter of resignation?

I would also make the letter as official looking to Chinese eyes as possible. If possible get it written on company letterheaded paper and with some form of company stamp/chop, or two. As you may have understood from the VOR's post, the Chinese love to use chops. It is my understanding that to them a chop makes a document look official, not a signature, which is why I said your boss's signature would not be needed. I am surprised they asked for that.

Other information you might usefully add to the letter is your passport number and that now/from DATE the company acknowledges you are free to pursue other employment and that you were a good/excellent employee (as in a Chinese letter of release).
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eihpos



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, when I asked, they changed the wording to termination letter stating what date I'm leaving. It's ok to write it myself and get the boss to sign, which is good as I don't want to bother my boss again - she already wrote a reference. I'll try to get it on company paper, but a chop probably isn't going to be possible.
It's true that the HR in the school have been absolutely great so far, so I will do as they ask! Thanks for the advice everyone.
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golsa



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your new school almost certainly wants a 'release letter', which you almost certainly won't have unless you've worked in China before. Chinese schools write these (and a letter of recommendation) after you've fulfilled your contractual obligations or have otherwise been released from your contract. As best I understand the situation, you need a release letter to get the Foreign Expert Certificate when you change schools in China.

Your new school may have confused 'release letter' with a letter of recommendation or may have assumed that release letters are used in every country for foreign teachers. When I left my school in China my boss kept asking for a letter of recommendation, which caused me to ask a few questions about to whom I should address it. My first thought was that I should address such a letter to SAFEA or the Foreign Expert Bureau. It turned out that she simply wanted a letter of resignation to keep on file to prove that they didn't fire me before my contract ended.

It sounds like you've resolved the situation, but maybe this post will help a future reader.
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