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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm..this is an interesting thread so it got my searching. This PGCE requirement seems rather new. To me it doesn't really jibe with the reality of these programs. They are money makers, not high standard true international schools in China. Theses programs require half way competent human beings who can teach the subject well enough that the parents won't be bitching for their money back.

I am thinking that this is appearing for two reasons. The first is that the supply demand fundamentals are skyrocketing salaries so some idiot in a program is thinking that if they have to pay a subject teacher more, say along the lines of say a Maple Leaf teacher, then they may as well find get someone who has a proper teaching certificate too. Typical Chinese logic. I am also seeing that recruitment for subject teachers is occurring now on professional teaching recruitment boards. One could argue that is is because of the professional teaching certificate. Or one could argue that as they needed to expand their recruitment efforts into this area, they needed or felt they needed to add this requirement.

Another remote possibility is that the Chinese recruiters are using it as a leverage tool for salaries. The job is posted for 15-25k, but only the lower is offered to the potential teacher as he does not possess the PGCE.

Can't see how this will help recruitment efforts. Sort of like the University position I just saw listed in Shanghai offering the top salary of 12k for those who hold Doctorates in the subject.

I may be off on this, but it is odd and illogical.
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Guerciotti



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimpellow wrote:
Hmm..this is an interesting thread so it got my searching. This PGCE requirement seems rather new. To me it doesn't really jibe with the reality of these programs. They are money makers, not high standard true international schools in China. Theses programs require half way competent human beings who can teach the subject well enough that the parents won't be bitching for their money back.

I am thinking that this is appearing for two reasons. The first is that the supply demand fundamentals are skyrocketing salaries so some idiot in a program is thinking that if they have to pay a subject teacher more, say along the lines of say a Maple Leaf teacher, then they may as well find get someone who has a proper teaching certificate too. Typical Chinese logic. I am also seeing that recruitment for subject teachers is occurring now on professional teaching recruitment boards. One could argue that is is because of the professional teaching certificate. Or one could argue that as they needed to expand their recruitment efforts into this area, they needed or felt they needed to add this requirement.

Another remote possibility is that the Chinese recruiters are using it as a leverage tool for salaries. The job is posted for 15-25k, but only the lower is offered to the potential teacher as he does not possess the PGCE.

Can't see how this will help recruitment efforts. Sort of like the University position I just saw listed in Shanghai offering the top salary of 12k for those who hold Doctorates in the subject.

I may be off on this, but it is odd and illogical.


It makes sense to me. All your motives are plausible and may be simultaneously applicable. Another possible explanation relies on the fact that for some programs, certified teachers are necessary to meet the requirements of the program, hence the salaries quoted. Further, schools, whether fully legit or not, focus on AP or A-level exam results, thus they look for more than the average FT, and offer more than the average FT's salary.

In my experience, most of the salaries quoted in individual ads have a 5k range. I think the Beijing80 ranges include many disciplines (chemistry, physics, higher math, economics) and salaries vary among these subjects, resulting in a wider range.

I was looking this season and given my qualifications, the ads I answered quoted salaries from 12k to 18k. That's just 'for what it's worth'. I (obviously) have no PGCE nor teaching license at home.
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