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Disney China..... really that bad?
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JET is an excellent program, but be careful. Don't put all your eggs in one basket!

The application process can take up to a year and then you can be put on the back-up teacher list for another year. Before you know it, two years have been wasted in your home country waiting for JET and you didn't even get a chance to go to Japan.

Also, the number of JETs in Japan has been quickly decreasing since I arrived, replaced with teachers from dispatch companies. JET is getting very competetive from what I hear. The salary has also been reduced from what it once was.


So by all means, apply for JET but don't let it be your only option. Apply for some other jobs in Japan or China.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone working at Disney done the TEFL-C course?

Is it the standard training for all staff? Apparently, the course is provided by Disney's former academic manager in collaboration with NYC's Columbia U? It seems pretty intensive as this sample unit suggests. Given this former Pearson employee's declared ignorance of ELT testing, it wouldn't surprise me if it's all theory, entirely online (as one claim has it)--no observed practice teaching component. For those like myself arguing assessment is the Achilles' heel of ELT, this should come as no surprise.

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TEFL-C Company Description: The Teaching English as a Foreign Language to Children (TEFL-C) certificate program, produced in association with Teachers College, Columbia University, is currently offered only in Asia. The TEFL-C curriculum is composed of 20 modules specifically tailored for EFL teachers of very young and young learners (3 to 12 years of age). The TEFL-C curriculum covers Theories & Approaches in general education as well as those specifically related to language teaching. It does the same with Methods. Hundreds of practical hands-on activities are included throughout the program and are the primary topic in the Materials & Techniques modules.
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disneyeric



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Disney China..... really that bad? Reply with quote

weshh1 wrote:
Im sort of considering applying to teach through Disney China. I have read quite a few negative reviews for such a "Well established" company. Is it really that bad? I must admit I;m not a fan of the work schedule they have.


They will drive you very hard, micromanage you if they feel you aren't a performing "cast member" and give very little appreciation even when you do well. They simply aren't education specialists, and the novelty gimmick of Disney characters is wearing off even for the Chinese. The day you leave will be a tremendous relief.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: Disney China..... really that bad? Reply with quote

[quote="disneyeric"]
weshh1 wrote:
Im sort of considering applying to teach through Disney China. I have read quite a few negative reviews for such a "Well established" company. Is it really that bad? I must admit I;m not a fan of the work schedule they have.


In general, most of the negativity you'll read on these forums is about school management, some comes from those who should never have gotten into teaching (kids) in the first place but ended up doing so because they thought it would be a Mickey Mouse job. Don't make that mistake. Teaching kids can be as challenging and rewarding as teaching adults. Ask yourself, would you prefer teaching kids or adults and why? What experience do you have working/being around kids? What YL experience and training have you had?

Although I've never worked at Disney, I've spent years teaching kids in China and it can be rewarding given the appropriate curriculum and support and your teaching skills. But be forewarned, a 'well-established' foreign name in China means nothing. I worked briefly for 'Longman School' and found the curriculum choice (from one of the world's largest ELT publishers) atrocious.
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thechangling



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Disney China..... really that bad? Reply with quote

[quote="LongShiKong"]
disneyeric wrote:
weshh1 wrote:
Im sort of considering applying to teach through Disney China. I have read quite a few negative reviews for such a "Well established" company. Is it really that bad? I must admit I;m not a fan of the work schedule they have.


In general, most of the negativity you'll read on these forums is about school management, some comes from those who should never have gotten into teaching (kids) in the first place but ended up doing so because they thought it would be a Mickey Mouse job. Don't make that mistake. Teaching kids can be as challenging and rewarding as teaching adults. Ask yourself, would you prefer teaching kids or adults and why? What experience do you have working/being around kids? What YL experience and training have you had?

Although I've never worked at Disney, I've spent years teaching kids in China and it can be rewarding given the appropriate curriculum and support and your teaching skills. But be forewarned, a 'well-established' foreign name in China means nothing. I worked briefly for 'Longman School' and found the curriculum choice (from one of the world's largest ELT publishers) atrocious.

Its true that the problem most teachers have in China is with management but 'management' in China (if you can call it that) is primarily tasked with making as much money as possible and often that translates into taking advantage of all employees in every way possible to do that.
That and poor curriculum, no communication nor coordination from 'management' are standard fare in universities, schools and training centres across China and blaming teachers for these systemic failures is disingenuous.
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Riff Raff



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

choudoufu wrote:
teach some english "workin" 12-14 hours a week, with
3 months paid vacation.

you will be well-prepared at 50 to move to thailand and apply for
the retirement visa. mai bpen rai!


What? I only see jobs at 18, 20,and 25 hours a week. All the Chinese schools I talked with, including reputable ones, refuse to negotiate, regardless of qualifications. Take it or leave it. Language mills insist on 40 hours a week. They cite Disney as the reason why they insist on it.
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weshh1



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, here I am. 24 now, still in the US. I spent the last year as a substitute teacher, gained experience with all different age/grade levels but still have not scratched my itch for traveling abroad.

I didn't apply for the JET program, I started the application but didn't finish. I now have enough teaching experience to qualify for Disney English but I don't really know if that is something I want to do.

I am applying for Teach in Bhutan and possibly taking a CELTA course in Ecuador or Thailand.

Updates or advice of any sort will be appreciated! Smile
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Riff Raff



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disney-English is not cool or fun like working at Disney-Pixar. One treats you respect and encourages you to play with your talented imagination while striving for the best. The other works you like a dog without brains, to be strapped to a harness and driven.

Be it irony, hypocrisy, or the mistake that theory on paper easily equates to applied pedagogy, it's highly unlikely that those who developed the Disney-English work schedule would agree to work it themselves for a long period of time.

If you, dear reader, were well studied in Education and experienced in the field, then you would already know this.
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weshh1



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any updates from people currently/recently working at disney english?
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Larry Legend



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riff Raff wrote:

If you, dear reader, were well studied in Education and experienced in the field, then you would already know this.


Dear reader,

I apologize on behalf of the other dear reader for being young.

Sincerely,

Dear reader
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Riff Raff



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you referring to me?

You don't know my age.

If you were in China before Disney English, then tell everyone here what were the standard hours on contracts? Compare that to what is standard in top schools? Compare that to other divisions of Disney. Now compare that to what was originally created by the founders of cooperation and exchange.

Disney has some great places to work. Their English schools abroad are not among them. My age is a straw man. Why not address the topic instead?

Are you employed by DE? What is good about them? Tell us.

I can say that they are more likely to pay you on time. As they grow as a franchise like EF or NO, they become subject to being owned and managed by less than honest people. As it stands, yes, DE sucks. If you like it, then better you than me. At least explain what is so great about it as opposed to making off-topic, unfounded personal attacks. You do not know my age, nor is my age relevant to the working conditions at DE.

DE, owned by Disney, is not a great place to work. I believe that do not appreciate the employees. DP gets respect, and the job conditions reflect that. Disney theme park jobs range from awful to great. Now let's go from comparing Disney jobs to comparing their Educational jobs to other schools:

Since Disney emerged, Chinese schools have followed their lead. Disney was able to get foreigners to agree to 40 hours a week of their time. A few Taiwan and Korean schools got this in the mainland prior to Disney. Most foreigners avoided it in favor of working a few classes, then leaving (either to teach more classes at another job or do something else). Be it China or USA, for me, I work a few classes, negotiate my pay and schedule, then go home, including at top schools. I have never needed to work 40 hours a week, and I use my personal time to advance my career.

I see little good in Disney English. In fact, I am disgusted by them and whoever developed their policies. If you have no clue about pedagogy whatsoever, by my guest, work for them. Their work schedule is designed for the clueless, people who are unlikely to be using their time to advance their professional careers.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are DE schools company-owned or franchises, or a mixture?
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weshh1



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they are all owned and operated by wdw.
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Larry Legend



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riff Raff wrote:
Are you referring to me?

You don't know my age.

If you were in China before Disney English, then tell everyone here what were the standard hours on contracts? Compare that to what is standard in top schools? Compare that to other divisions of Disney. Now compare that to what was originally created by the founders of cooperation and exchange.

Disney has some great places to work. Their English schools abroad are not among them. My age is a straw man. Why not address the topic instead?

Are you employed by DE? What is good about them? Tell us.


Everything that you and others have said about them is very consistent with what I have already known/heard about them. Based on what I always hear about them, I'm not sure why anyone would want to work for them, but to each their own. I have nothing else to add here.
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parnett



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I applied for a manager position at Disney English through a recruiter 3 years ago. I have many years of experience teaching university in the US, children in Turkey and both here in China. I have two M.A.s- one in languages and another in education. After four separate interviews, I was told by the last two clueless Disney interviewers that I was the strongest managerial candidate they had ever had at Disney, and to prepare to take the vacant manager's position in Hangzhou (where I was living). About a week later, I received an email stating that I wasn't a proper candidate for the job. Why? Because I was 56, and Disney wouldn't hire anyone over the age of 40. Through four interviews and countless phone calls/emails, the "company" had never checked my age!
I have now taught in China for four years and have signed up for a fifth. I have never encountered a school here in which disorganization/chaos wasn't rampant. Disney seems to fit this mold perfectly. You would be best served steering completely clear of the place.
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