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Male v Female ESL teachers in China

 
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The Voice Of Reason



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:31 am    Post subject: Male v Female ESL teachers in China Reply with quote

In my experience in Spain there are more female ESL teachers than male. In my experience here are many more male ESL teachers than female ESL teachers. I've not taught in other countries so I can't make bold unsubstantiated statements like, 'there are more female ESL teachers in European countries, and there are more male teachers in Asian countries'. It'd also be speculation as to why there are many more (it seems to me) male ESL teachers than female ESL teachers in China? Are male ESL teachers, on average, more adventurous and willing to work in very different cultures? Do single male ESL teachers find Chinese females generally more attractive than single female ESL teachers find Chinese males? If so, how much could that be a reason? Are male ESL teachers more willing to accept more difficult living enviroments (heat, pollution, poor food safety standards etc)? I dont want to come across as sexist. In China I have met female ESL teachers that are certainly much more adventurous than me with their travels.
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The_Kong



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: Male v Female ESL teachers in China Reply with quote

The Voice Of Reason wrote:
In my experience in Spain there are more female ESL teachers than male. In my experience here are many more male ESL teachers than female ESL teachers. I've not taught in other countries so I can't make bold unsubstantiated statements like, 'there are more female ESL teachers in European countries, and there are more male teachers in Asian countries'. It'd also be speculation as to why there are many more (it seems to me) male ESL teachers than female ESL teachers in China? Are male ESL teachers, on average, more adventurous and willing to work in very different cultures? Do single male ESL teachers find Chinese females generally more attractive than single female ESL teachers find Chinese males? If so, how much could that be a reason? Are male ESL teachers more willing to accept more difficult living enviroments (heat, pollution, poor food safety standards etc)? I dont want to come across as sexist. In China I have met female ESL teachers that are certainly much more adventurous than me with their travels.


If you scroll through the resume database on this site you'll find that there is a majority of males looking to teach abroad.

I quick scroll through my inbox from the last job posting I made shows about 70% of the applicants were male.

Another interesting thing I noticed, there seems to be a lot more females from countries outside of the ones typically considered 'native english speaking countries'.

This year in particular I had a surge in Filipino women, and for the first time received about a half a dozen applications from Jamaican women, but not a single Filipino or Jamaican man.

My thoughts are, and keep in mind this is only my opinion, women have and/or think they have a lot more safety issues when traveling then a man does. As such, I think most people would consider Europe to be a much safer (i.e., familiar) place then somewhere very foreign like Asia.

Your average man, especially men in their early twenties, tend to be more willing to take risks or have adventures than a woman of a similar age (from my experience). I wouldn't be surprised that if you looked at the numbers the amount of women teaching in 'safe' countries is higher than say Cambodia or China.
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The Voice Of Reason



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting points, The_Kong. Dave's here attracts teachers employed / seeking employment in Asia far more so than tefl.com, which has Spain, UK and Italy as their top 3 most popular countries for employment. tefl.com data:

Resume database
Resumes Active 84,680
Resumes Inactive 37,637
Resumes Total 122,317
New Resumes Today 33
Nationality:
1. United Kingdom 45%
2. United States 19%
3. Ireland 5%
4. Other 31%
Gender male 45%
Gender female 53%

Age (average) 29yrs
Currently employed 58%
Teaching exp. (avg.) 5yrs
Speak foreign lang. 84%
Seeking teaching position 98%
Most popular countries for employment:
1. Spain 26%
2. United Kingdom 24%
3. Italy 17%
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likwid_777



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The proof is in the pudding. The vast majority of teachers at my school, and other schools in my city, were male. Risk thing definitely true, and also that whole thing about Western males tending to like Asian women, where Western women are not so into Chinese guys. Might change when or if whities are on the bones of their bums, and Chinese guys are relatively stinking rich. But that has all been covered in another thread.
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MuscatGary



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Voice Of Reason wrote:
tefl.com data:

Gender male 45%
Gender female 53%



What about the other 2%?
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Babala



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that there are 2 age groups of females here. There is the group that are in their early 20's. Quite a few of them have came here already knowing someone here or coming with a friend. They tend to work at training centres or teach kindergarten or primary school. The other group is the over 55 group. They are retired and have come here for the experience. They seem to have little interest in socializing with other westerners and spend most of their free time exploring alone or with students.

Either way, there are definitely more males here than females.
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The_Kong



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MuscatGary wrote:
The Voice Of Reason wrote:
tefl.com data:

Gender male 45%
Gender female 53%



What about the other 2%?


The missing 2% head to Thailand Laughing
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Dan123



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the same in my school too. We usually hover at around 15 male teachers and 3-4 female teachers.

Is it the same in Korea/Japan? I've been wondering about this for a while.
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SH_Panda



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan123 wrote:
It's the same in my school too. We usually hover at around 15 male teachers and 3-4 female teachers.

Is it the same in Korea/Japan? I've been wondering about this for a while.


I'd say there are definitely more female teachers in Korea than here... mostly Americans/Canadians. I think because Korea is considered a bit 'safer' because it's generally more westernised with it's technology, high rise buildings and convenience stores everywhere, but it's still different and interesting enough for an adventure.

China is, as my American friend calls it, the 'wild, wild east' Laughing
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Janiny



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SH_Panda wrote:
Dan123 wrote:
It's the same in my school too. We usually hover at around 15 male teachers and 3-4 female teachers.

Is it the same in Korea/Japan? I've been wondering about this for a while.


I'd say there are definitely more female teachers in Korea than here... mostly Americans/Canadians. I think because Korea is considered a bit 'safer' because it's generally more westernised with it's technology, high rise buildings and convenience stores everywhere, but it's still different and interesting enough for an adventure.

China is, as my American friend calls it, the 'wild, wild east' Laughing


Maybe it's because the majority of Korean students are small children, and women are more comfortable with that than men are. And employers might prefer women for that sort of work.
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creeper1



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course the employers would prefer young, blonde haired, beautiful, sexy American girls for ANY position not just kindergarten.

That is the standard. Look at any advertising billboard for any EFL school. When will this simple fact be conceded?

However, because conditions are better elsewhere in terms of pollution and renumeration (think of the country bordering the north east) then they must take what they can get. Even if that is a middle aged male. (groan)

However as economies in the west deteriorate further I think we will find the oldies getting replaced and forced out.

It happened in Japan first, is happening now in that country to the north east and eventually will happen here too.
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thatsforsure



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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young, blonde haired, beautiful, sexy American girls

Actually, that is starting to sound pretty good.

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Even if that is a middle aged male.

Yuck!
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Shanghai Noon



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:


However, because conditions are better elsewhere in terms of pollution and renumeration (think of the country bordering the north east)


Really? I don't think conditions are much better in North Korea. I also don't think there are many sexy blonde haired American girls working there as English teachers. Laughing
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