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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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 Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:53 am Post subject: Re: The Biggest TEFL Lie That Is Never Put In Writing... |
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| Anyone who tells you that you must have a TEFL certificate to teach in China should be avoided like a one-eyed skanky hooker with AIDS. |
Such uncivil language has no place here.
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| When your filling out the online portion of an application for a foreign expert certificate there is even a section solely for TEFL/CELTA certificates. It may not be required everywhere in China, but it is required by any reputable school (in my opinion), unless the person has an actual degree in education. |
Accounts for what regulatory changes recruiters are responding, but what the OP reports (despite their inanity) is complicated. By what terms Cambridge/Oxford & Council Inc. establish their trainings as a de facto standard is of concern to many teachers such as Buckeye Bob.
The OP and LongShiKong's indignation (regardless of its expression) is not wholly without merit. |
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The_Kong
Joined: 15 Apr 2014
Posts: 349
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: Re: The Biggest TEFL Lie That Is Never Put In Writing... |
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| buravirgil wrote: |
| Juice wrote: |
| Anyone who tells you that you must have a TEFL certificate to teach in China should be avoided like a one-eyed skanky hooker with AIDS. |
Such uncivil language has no place here.
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| The_Kong wrote: |
| When your filling out the online portion of an application for a foreign expert certificate there is even a section solely for TEFL/CELTA certificates. It may not be required everywhere in China, but it is required by any reputable school (in my opinion), unless the person has an actual degree in education. |
Accounts for what regulatory changes recruiters are responding, but what the OP reports (despite their inanity) is complicated. By what terms Cambridge/Oxford & Council Inc. establish their trainings as a de facto standard is of concern to many teachers such as Buckeye Bob.
The OP and LongShiKong's indignation (regardless of its expression) is not wholly without merit. |
Yeah...what buravirgil said...I think.
Pssst...can anyone tell me what the hell buravirgil is actually trying to say? |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
Posts: 967
Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:40 am Post subject: Re: The Biggest TEFL Lie That Is Never Put In Writing... |
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| The_Kong wrote: |
| Pssst...can anyone tell me what the hell buravirgil is actually trying to say? |
You might try specificity-- as in with what expression you're struggling, snarky. You are pretty quick to call out the efforts of NNESTs only to turn about and imply-- wut? My own sense of informal banter should be the rule.
The OP's simile for recruiters attempting to compel potential job candidates toward a TEFL certification is abominable. It's practically hate language.
But the issue is complicated. More than a few experienced teachers anticipate the annoyance of a rudimentary and nearly meaningless certification when, and if, they change jobs. Your post was the most informative and why I quoted it. Bud P. certainly understands the issues, as well as others, but I posted because dismissing the complaints of several posters as needing to "wake up" wasn't a deserved admonition or sufficient articulation of the issues.
IMHO
yo
edit: reviewing the formatting of my post, I can see interpreting my cite of "Juice" as a poor ad hoc lede while accusing your post as abominable.
apologies |
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Shanghai Noon
Joined: 18 Aug 2013
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Location: Shanghai, China
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| A TEFL/TESOL/CELTA/whatever might not be required, but it's well worth the investment. My TESOL course was a joke, but has been accepted by everyone nonetheless. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| Shanghai Noon wrote: |
| A TEFL/TESOL/CELTA/whatever might not be required, but it's well worth the investment. My TESOL course was a joke, but has been accepted by everyone nonetheless. |
[emphasis mine]
An eminently practical choice, and one I made as well when taking my second job abroad because I realized it was a human resources matter of ticking a box. And I resent it, as some posters to this thread have expressed via obscene similes and overly sized, contrastively colored text.
Because the market for certifications is bloated and inconsistent, potentially diminishing the value of an academic discpline. But certification/professional paths are not unique to ESL and the growth and demand for its practice, compounded by its itinerant character demands regulation. Yet teachers, like nurses, tend to be motivated by factors other than incentives. It's the lie of it that galls me, and I suspect others.
In the interest of full disclosure, I hold an English degree that is not Lit. or Creative Writing with nine semester hours of Linguistics earned as an undergrad of which six are a year long fellowship with an eight week practicum and presentation of a paper. Twenty years ago, simply having an English degree (typically Lit.) was a sufficient (and common) pedigree, but after an expansion of the "industry", demand was so high any degree was accepted. Now it's any degree + a cert. Thus my grousing about how intensive and pervasive (and I will argue pernicious) is Cambridge and Oxford's influence. Their regulation (set of standards) was barely acceptable in the form of CELTA (which has suffered since its expansion) to now border fraudulent. And I'll go further, NNESTs holding DELTAs can proffer organizational procedure through prescribed documentation and emphasize "institutional needs" all while barely literate in English (maybe anecdotal) because the personnel to manage teachers has only increased while class ratios tend to stay the same, which is to say maximized. |
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Buckeye Bob
Joined: 11 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Let's keep it real simple here... Less than 1% of schools in China that hire foreign teacher actually ask for a TEFL certificate and there is absolutely, unequivocally no law in China that says you must have a TEFL certificate to teach in China. Therefore whoever tells you otherwise is pulling the wool over your eyes in order to sell you an expensive TEFL course. Got it? |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007
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Location: China
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| Buckeye Bob wrote: |
| Let's keep it real simple here... Less than 1% of schools in China that hire foreign teacher actually ask for a TEFL certificate and there is absolutely, unequivocally no law in China that says you must have a TEFL certificate to teach in China. Th | | | |
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