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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:46 am    Post subject: Universities in Scotland Reply with quote

I'm not an EU citizen but I've been looking at master's programs in either literature or another humanities or social science field.

I read something online when looking for tuition rates that reported that EU and UK citizens do not pay for tuition at Scottish universities. Is this information accurate and current?

Also, how does the University of Edinburgh rate for literature and applied linguistics master's programs? In terms of location, it looks to be conveniently located in the city judging from what I see on Google maps.

Any other universities I should be looking at?

Another school, not in the UK but in Dublin, is Trinity College Dublin that I've looked at. Does anyone have any experience with this school and if so do you recommend it as an possible alternative.
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Capt Lugwash



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29054034
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So universities do charge tution or have started to charge tuition to even UK citizens.

Here is a breakdown of UK student tuition fees at University of Edinburgh:

http://www.docs.sasg.ed.ac.uk/fees/display-fee.cfm

Have they started charging tuition fees for UK citizens this year?
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Dedicated



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Studying at Scottish universities is free for Scots students and EU citizens, but because of an anomaly in the law, they charge students from England, Wales and Northern Ireland. This started in 2012.

Edinburgh University charges 9,000 pounds per year across 4 years for an undergraduate degree for an English student but it's free for a French student, for example.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-23279868
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dedicated wrote:
...because of an anomaly in the law, they charge students from England, Wales and Northern Ireland. This started in 2012.

Edinburgh University charges 9,000 pounds per year across 4 years for an undergraduate degree for an English student but it's free for a French student, for example.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-23279868


Is that ever bizarre.

So if a student is an EU citizen from France, Spain or Germany, they can get free tuition where, on the other hand, a student from Northern Ireland has to pay the 9,000 pounds per-year.

Unreal. What a stupid law. How can that be?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wait for the result in 8 days time. Then see what happens!
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forget her name but the female candidate running in the next election vows to make university tuition free if she wins.

I'm surprised that they regard those from Northern Ireland and England different and charge them tuition yet someone from Luxembourg does not have to pay tuition fees.

Unbelievable.
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Dedicated



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The justification that is provided for charging English students full fees at Scottish universities is

' Essentially this is because it is possible to discriminate between students from different parts of an individual EU member state but not to discriminate against those from other parts of the EU.'
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Kofola



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect it's a way of keeping costs down.

I don't know much about how the system works, but I suspect it is very skewed. Some EU countries are very popular with EU students and others attract almost no students. Under EU rules, Scotland (pop. 5 million) has to fund students from other countries, but if other countries charge fees, then Scottish students would be charged to study there. EU students in Scotland may pay taxes of course, and if they stay and work then they will contribute to the system, but it all depends how many contribute. If it's not many it could end up being very expensive for Scotland.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

England brought in tuition fees for students domiciled in England studying at English unis. Scottish Government has a policy of no fees for domestic students. If Scottish universities were to exempt English (and Welsh and NI) students from fees we would be swamped !

Shimo - can you clarify -

"I forget her name but the female candidate running in the next election vows to make university tuition free if she wins. "
What election ? What country ? Are you referring to the referendum on 18/ September,and not to an election ?
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't remember, wasn't focusing on who she was or her affiliation. I was searching for info on tuition fees.

So anyone here attend University of Edinburgh? How was it? Seems to be a high ranking research university.

I'm looking into the literature, TESOL or law programs at the master's level or doctoral levels.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

University tuition is free for those domiciled in Scotland. You may have heard Nicola Sturgeon promising to keep things that way, despite the rantings of the agents of Finance Capital and the London Establishment.

I studied at Edinburgh and graduated from there in the 1960s.
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