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mw182006
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| jimpellow wrote: |
| You should not need this done at all. As of April 2014 Beijing specifically dictated that a medical before coming to China was not necessary. It is always changing, but before that it was ambiguous with the word "should" which was interpreted differently as it trickled down. |
I don't suppose you have a link to this announcement? |
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Listerine
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
| You should not need this done at all. As of April 2014 Beijing specifically dictated that a medical before coming to China was not necessary. It is always changing, but before that it was ambiguous with the word "should" which was interpreted differently as it trickled down. |
Classic case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Unfortunate reality is rather than simply two hands Chinese bureaucracy tends to be one of those 100-armed Hindu Gods, all departments and offices seeming to run their own little fiefdoms and run according to however the f@ck they like rather than what....Beijing....pfft....[spits on the ground] "demands". What's the saying about the emperor is far away and the mountains are high...?
Regardless if the school needs the medical check or has been required to ask for the medical check in advance by the local PSB no amount of telling "them that a medical is not required" is going to achieve anything beyond another few months of unemployment. Many of these incompetent FAOs will happily go teacherless rather than lose face and admit they don't know their jobs. |
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Nano
Joined: 10 Jun 2014
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Location: Qinhuangdao, China
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| At the end of the day, whether you choose to do the physical in Canada or not, your doctor can just write NORMAL for everything, sign and stamp. At first I thought I had to go to a preapproved hospital but after searching around, I realized that nobody knew what I was talking about and the Chinese consulate in Toronto was almost useless. I ended up just using my family physician. She wrote down everything as NORMAL cause she knew my medical history and the only thing I chose to attach were the results of my HIV and syphilis test which was probably completely optional. I did not attach any results of ECG and Xray, just a simple NORMAL written in the box sufficed. You technically do not need to actually do any of these tests if your doctor wants to help you and spare the headache. |
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jimpellow
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mw182006 wrote: |
| jimpellow wrote: |
| You should not need this done at all. As of April 2014 Beijing specifically dictated that a medical before coming to China was not necessary. It is always changing, but before that it was ambiguous with the word "should" which was interpreted differently as it trickled down. |
I don't suppose you have a link to this announcement? |
http://lawandborder.com/faq-new-china-visa-law/
Good point above about Chinese not wanting to lose face over not knowing what they should. Still, you can persist with the Chinese schools and authorities over such matters and win. I have done it and known others.
Personally, if it was my money, time and effort (op seems to respond that in the end it will only be his time and effort) I would walk away if they couldn't see the light.
From my reading on it, there really seems to be no ability for a jurisdiction like Shanxi to require it. They will only do so if Beijing directs it or suggests it, which is more common and leads to all this varied local implementations. The only other possibility would be if this was part of a non-public disclosed law. China has many being non democratic with little transparence. But in this case I really would suggest the people in Shanxi simply don't know better.
I have seen that with Beijing as an example in recent ads. Most will still say that a pre medical is required. But a few have posted specifically stating that a pre medical is no longer required. Contact the schools who say it is a requirement and they will swear up and down that it needs to be done, though the local authorities there know about the change due to their proximity to the power center.
Anyways, best of luck on all.
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doogsville
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Nano wrote: |
| She wrote down everything as NORMAL cause she knew my medical history and the only thing I chose to attach were the results of my HIV and syphilis test which was probably completely optional. |
Don't be too sure about that. Not so long ago there was a healthy suspicion that the only thing the Chinese were interested in was a foreigners HIV status. The rest of the medical exam was there just to make the HIV test seem more legit. There's still something of an idea among the Chinese that HIV is a 'western' disease that won't be a problem in China if they keep infected foreigners out. Also you're required to state your HIV status, as well as whether you have other infectious illnesses on the visa application form. |
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talentedcrayon
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The Vancouver Chinese Consular General website...
The email addresses? I get "Delivery Status Notification (Failure)" for both of the addresses they list.
The main visa phone number is a loop. If you dial 604 734 0407 you get a message in Chinese and English that says to dial the same number again.
The general number for the consulate is always busy and leads to a full inbox.
The number for science, technology and business is "not in service." (I thought I'd give it a try and see if I could get them to put me through to a person).
The website itself does not offer any useful information at all.
The only thing that may be true is the address... I guess this is a sign of things to come in China. |
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Shanghai Noon
Joined: 18 Aug 2013
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Location: Shanghai, China
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| doogsville wrote: |
| Nano wrote: |
| She wrote down everything as NORMAL cause she knew my medical history and the only thing I chose to attach were the results of my HIV and syphilis test which was probably completely optional. |
Don't be too sure about that. Not so long ago there was a healthy suspicion that the only thing the Chinese were interested in was a foreigners HIV status. The rest of the medical exam was there just to make the HIV test seem more legit. |
Not exactly. If you test positive for one of the "foreign diseases," the other tests can be used to help the doctor make a proper diagnosis, and decide whether or not the disease will be a problem when working in China. For example: if you test positive for HIV and have a very low white blood cell count, your days in China are probably numbered. If you test positive for HIV and have a high white count, they will do more investigation. If you test positive for hepatitis and have a high ALT count, again, you're probably finished. If you test positive for hepatitis and have a low ALT count, again, they will do more tests. You cannot diagnosis diseases just with one test; you can only rule them out. |
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jimpellow
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I swore myself off this thread as the OP is obviously intent to follow the needless and expensive route, and share such with the group looking for false reinforcement and empathy from other misinformed souls.
But I would like to excuse myself from this thread by asking if the OP has any intent of sharing what the costs of the medical will be with the school before actually undergoing them? The costs of these tests are quite inexpensive in China, and I would think that the Chinese school believes that they will reimbursing you for a thousand or two RMB or so. I find it hard to believe they would ever have agreed to it had they known the potential true costs unless the OP possesses a teaching specialization in very high demand. |
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