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thomas_pynchon
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 Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:27 pm Post subject: GEMS - how does this job description look? |
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Any folks with experience working with this or similar IEPs? Its a four month contract, details can be seen here:
http://www.gemsedsolutions.com/vacancies-available
25 teachers, about 25 students/class with low level English. They said it would be a visit/work visa.
What would you expect in terms of pay for this type of contract?
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scot47
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| "Visit/work visa" is a euphemism for a business visa. You would be an illegal. |
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SheikMilkShake
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you, Scot47, keep saying this, Illegal Business visa
If the sponsor arranged a visa and let this man work in KSA, in case of any problem, mind you, the sponsor would be punished first these days.
In the worst case scenario, he would be told to leave KSA.
I guess it is quite ok to work on any visa arranged by yr employer.
You cannot open a bank account but the best thing is you could leave , as soon as you get paid, without telling your sponsor. |
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johnslat
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Dear ShakeMilkShake,
" . . . . . the sponsor would be punished first these days."
Ah, there IS a Bizarro* Saudi 
* For those unfamiliar with DC Comics: "In popular culture "Bizarro World" has come to mean a situation or setting which is weirdly inverted or opposite of expectations."
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veiledsentiments
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Since it is only a 4 month contract, I don't think it much matters whether it is a legal work visa or not. Obviously an employer wouldn't bother with the expensive procedure for this short term. It would give the OP a taste of life in Saudi and he would see if he wants to keep trying to find a longer term job there with an iqama.
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plumpy nut
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| Many a teacher has found himself in detention cells even when it was thought that everything was legally in order. If you want to come for the quick money, most likely you will be OK, but there is a risk. There are lots of teachers here on Business visas, however a business visa could be just one more of the variety of things that gets a teacher in trouble and generally there are a whole host of things that can go wrong. |
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thomas_pynchon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| It looks to me that this will be rural to the economic city on the Red Sea, what I'm more concerned about is 25 students/class for a 4 month intensive English program. That sounds like a sweat shop to me and could be a nightmare. What would people expect for remuneration for this type of deal? |
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coder
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| thomas_pynchon wrote: |
| What I'm more concerned about is 25 students/class for a 4 month intensive English program. That sounds like a sweat shop to me and could be a nightmare. What would people expect for remuneration for this type of deal? |
Twenty-four students is average for many classrooms in KSA---some teachers have even more per class. As for salary, you'd have to apply to see what you're worth (if offered a position). |
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coder
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| "The sponsor would be punished first." Not quite the way things work in the Magic Kingdom. More accurate would be "Make sure there is always a foreigner around so that you have a scapegoat." |
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sicklyman
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| if you're American, your pay cannot be "deducted" from your income tax for this year since (I guess), you'll be overseas only 4 months |
unless, of course, the OP is already non-resident for tax purposes overseas anyway and returns there after this contract... at least that would make them exempt in the UK, broadly speaking. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Many a teacher has found himself in detention cells even when it was thought that everything was legally in order. |
Really? We have had no mention of any teacher being in this situation because of being on a "visit/business" visa rather than an iqama.
There is no predicting if or when KSA might start enforcing this law for teachers. But no one has come here and said that it happened to them or a known other.
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coder
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| coder wrote: |
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| coder wrote: |
| if you're American, your pay cannot be "deducted" from your income tax for this year since (I guess), you'll be overseas only 4 months |
unless, of course, the OP is already non-resident for tax purposes overseas anyway and returns there after this contract... at least that would make them exempt in the UK, broadly speaking. |
Yes,yes, sickly man. We know that. That's why I wrote "(I guess)" because I don't know the specific residential circumstances of the OP. I thought it was obvious that what I meant was that if he was going to be overseas for only 4 months, he couldn't deduct whatever he earned from his taxable income since he wouldn't have fulfilled the necessary requirements. And I'm talking about US citizens. I have no idea about the tax laws of other nationals. None at all. |
yes,yes cod er. We know that. That's why I wrote it because I know the specific residential circumstances of the OP.
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