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Sashadroogie
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| A well fertilised lawn, at least? |
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Sashadroogie
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Actual? How about "truly" or "real" or "genuine".
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What is wrong with using the word 'actual' here? |
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dragonpiwo
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johnslat
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"The Daily Mash is a British satirical website providing parodic commentary on current affairs and other news stories. Neil Rafferty (a former political correspondent for The Sunday Times) and Paul Stokes (former business editor of The Scotsman), created the website in 2007 and remain the lead writers. Both writers earn salaries from the enterprise and also employ freelance contributors. The publication has garnered praise for its absurd, scatological humour and insightful political satire, as well as being compared favourably with US publication The Onion. The current editor is comedy writer and former BBC journalist Tim Telling."
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Capt Lugwash
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| I rather had the impression Dragon already knew that. |
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fluffyhamster
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| When I read the story I had no idea it was a satire! |
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Capt Lugwash
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| Of course and Elvis didn't die from constipation either. |
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johnslat
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Dear Capt Lugwash,
"I rather had the impression Dragon already knew that."
Actual? 
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Capt Lugwash
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| Actually. |
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dragonpiwo
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:11 pm Post subject: ha |
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| It's a funny mag. Might ACTUALLY lighten the tone. |
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:42 am Post subject: Re: ha |
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| dragonpiwo wrote: |
| It's a funny mag. Might ACTUALLY lighten the tone. |
Don't use that tone with me! 
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| I think someone here should read this...... |
And I can opine how implying the target of criticism reads as a timid and immature teenager concerned with reputation...others' and their own.
Dragonpiwo can't cite anyone's concern with a grammatical point in this thread. Five days had passed since an issue had been dropped. It is plain a desired effect was to stir the teapot, or a cauldron: Double, double, toil and trouble.
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| What I've taken to task is any advocacy of the CELTA as much more than a market-driven "guide book" that has, over the last thirty years, become more important than an English degree to many ESL employers. And I find that ludicrous |
To which the response was an English degree, alone, should be deferred to the "guarantees" of a CELTA, supported by
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| The critical distinction with a CELTA is that it is active, hands-on basic proficiency in ways to actively convey that knowledge. |
In which "active" is twice used to modify, preceded by "critical" distinction, and further asserted by the poster's status on a hiring committee.
I had ignored their convenient reading of a claim (pinned to the term "tinker") that I alone authored CEFR standards. I had simply surveyed and applied those standards that could be, i.e., those not burdened by specious distinction. [The print-out filled an area six meters square of an office wall] The most recent revisions of CEFR were sorely needed because tasks and activities (I should not have said behaviors before) are practical indications of proficiency more than mere descriptions heavily salted with the term comprehension.
Spiral's distinctions on this topic are blunted by spare, qualitative assertions of a binary character-- good vs. bad, real vs. artificial, and on and on. When challenged, the response was a patronizingly framed lecture on the application of standards. My degree in English involved the history and application of Linguistics through a fellowship, presentation at conference, and an eight week practicum.
Yet, from "hiring" drones across the world a box waits to be ticked: Certification?
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| The satire was great. More Mash! |
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spiral78
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My degree in English involved the history and application of Linguistics through a fellowship, presentation at conference, and an eight week practicum.
Yet, from "hiring" drones across the world a box waits to be ticked: Certification?
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If you wanted to work in any one of the network of universities where I work, yes. Our international team of drones is well aware that none of the above equate to proficiency in conveying knowledge. |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| You mean 'actual' teaching ability, Spiral? |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:40 am Post subject: Re: ha |
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| buravirgil wrote: |
To review:
| buravirgil wrote: |
| What I've taken to task is any advocacy of the CELTA as much more than a market-driven "guide book" that has, over the last thirty years, become more important than an English degree to many ESL employers. And I find that ludicrous |
To which the response was an English degree, alone, should be deferred to the "guarantees" of a CELTA, supported by
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| The critical distinction with a CELTA is that it is active, hands-on basic proficiency in ways to actively convey that knowledge. |
In which "active" is twice used to modify, preceded by "critical" distinction, and further asserted by the poster's status on a hiring committee.
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You may find this ludicrous, but those who actually need to employ TEFL teachers who can actually do the job know that even when job applicants have a genuine doctorate in linguistics/literature/stylistics or something similar this is not always going to be any indication of real teaching ability. Hiring committees have learnt this from past failures and hands-on experience.
Many PhD holders find this state of affairs hard to accept. But typically, they are confusing a TEFL classroom with a university lecture hall. These are not the same learning contexts at all. If it makes them feel better about themselves, it can be useful to describe a TEFL classroom as a mere 'training' camp, far, far removed from the lofty ivory reaches of academia. |
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