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Another Thumbs Down for On-line Certification

 
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coder



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:23 am    Post subject: Another Thumbs Down for On-line Certification Reply with quote

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The Fifth Column



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coder: The only "professionals" who would have issue with this point would be those who cut corners and "achieved" their degrees online.

I, myself, resigned from kick-ass employment in Saudi Arabia (back in 2000 when it made sense to work there) to drop out and take time to WORK on a degree, returning a few years later.

The investment has paid off handsomely without me having to crow out of faux pride of my academic accomplishments...which includes the idiots that I currently work with who took "band-aid" courses to keep their jobs...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:16 am    Post subject: Re: Another Thumbs Down for On-line Certification Reply with quote

coder wrote:
In a current AMIDEAST ad on this board, this venerable company explicity states that it does not accept on-line certification.

Not surprising considering the following:

"AMIDEAST's Professional Cert. in English Language Teaching"
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=98618
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're talking about CERTs here, not advanced degrees. To an employer, the whole reason for a cert is to know that they have had some actual training for classroom teaching... supervised... teaching actual students.

Morocco tend to draw many "backpacker" type teachers who think that their being a native speaker is enough to let them pay for their stay by teaching.

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omanoman



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, a teaching certification must have some form of a practicum to it, face to face teaching in real life.

But online courses and degrees can be just as legitimate as traditional classes. There are reputable and robust programs as well as crap paint- by- numbers options too., frankly, just as courses from colleges and universities.

Pretty harsh generalization from 5th Column though, vastly unfair. Most people can't quit entirely and study for a year or two. The brick and mortar colleges are accredited and so are the online programs, so what's the big difference? other than beer and wings at the campus pub? Wink
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The Fifth Column



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty harsh generalization from 5th Column though, vastly unfair. Most people can't quit entirely and study for a year or two.


We can agree to disagree on that one. When I did it, I didn't have a huge monetary coffer to lean on and had a pregnant wife in tow.

I did "the hard thing" because I didn't want to spend time on this board convincing others to what I had already convinced myself...that of an online degree being equal to one traditionally earned.

I enjoy a lifetime of memories conversing with cohort members and engaging in study groups instead of manipulating a mouse and squinting at a radiation box...
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omanoman



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough. There is no substitute for actual human interaction - something which seems increasingly under pressure from all the online communication and social media connections that are available and popular now.

Still, the online back and forth in class forums, group chat settings or mails can solicit better work, with people having more time to compose and edit their contributions. I did a post grad certification course in an unrelated field and found it to be very useful - no late comers to the group, missed meetings, bad coffee or rambling discourse.

It's a big part of the future of education - for better and worse.
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